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Girl, 14, arrested for posting nude MySpace pics

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posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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I find this to be silly. You're punishing the actions of a child with consequences (registered sex offender) that will impact her for the rest of her life. Obviously, her posting nude pics of herself was a mistake, but filing criminal charges against her is also a mistake. And the last time I checked, two wrongs still don't make a right.




posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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fair enough, females dont have loads of testosterone to contend with.

Still no excuse for rape, but you're ignoring the bigger argument here and that is that this young girl was luring these guys in under false pretenses.

If the page title was "Naked 14 year old, he he"
then blame should be placed on men who visited it


But that was not the case.

The real problem in society with topics like this is people like you who stick up for the vile young woman as though SHE was the victim.

Please. She's a vindictive and conniving little wretch, and this time, thank God, the law saw fit to be fair.

[edit on 29-3-2009 by Fremd]



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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Respect the Law!!!

What for, no one else does, certainly not the judges, the lawyers, the cops, our our government or corporate leaders. Our laws have became so oppressive they don't deserve respect. In our current situation, everyone is a criminal. There are so many laws that there is no way to avoiding breaking the law.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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This situation happened to a friend of mine when we were 17 and a 16 year old girl sent him explicit pictures which he proceeded to send to everybody he could. She was pretty embarrassed but her parents found out and she told them he made her take the pictures to get out of trouble. He was being charged with distribution of child porn and some other crap but thankfully he had auto-logged the MSN conversation which they used for court evidence showing that the girl had willingly taken and sent the pictures.
Whatever her reason for posting the pictures she is obviously either not too bright or looking for some attention and got more than she bargained for.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
As far as the topic goes.....the girl, who seems to have lack of parents in her life, should be punished at home and not be arrested and doing jail time. If she is found to be an online predator (purposely luring adult men to look at her pictures, I think that is another story).

Easy and responsible solution would be to sit the parents down, make them attend parenting classes and make sure that child has no computer access for awhile (and the parents learn how to protect the computers).

However, I see Jhill's stance. Many girls and women prey on men - and when they dont get what they want can easily turn on men ruining their lives. IE. false rape reports. Men are not always to blame for these things. Some females are screwed up and will do whatever they can to ruin a man's life.



Just like you hear of a guy going to jail for rape because... He was at a 21+ Only bar, picked up a girl for a one night stand and... She used a fake ID to get in and was really 15. How the hell was he supposed to know? He went to a place where you have to be 21 and older to get in. So he didn't think to ask for a Birth Certificate or any thing.

Or when High School girls crash a local College party, guys drunk as hell and probably high, but hey its a college party the people there must be college students and thus 18+. 20 years later as they leave jail...

But the courts are biased. Just like a man can be the picture of perfect, make tons of money, get married to a pretty woman, have kids... But when she starts sleeping around, doing drugs, abusing the kids and he files for a divorce... She gets more then half his stuff to support her drug addiction and almost always no matter what the situation is she gets the kids. Woman could be on video drowning two of her kids, she'd still get the rest.

And same with sex cases. A guy and a girl get drunk, have sex, wake up the next morning she cries rape. No one thinks the guy was raped even though he was also drunk. According to the law when a woman is drunk she is not responsible for any of her actions but the man is. She could have purposly gotten him drunk cause he is some hottie and she's a nottie and she has a huge crush on him but the courts don't care. A woman could drug a man, force feed him viagra, then have sex with him against his will, no court will take the case because they are biased.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Luring. I think the cartel are using this girl, perhaps she's working for them, to lure people into losing more of their freedoms. I think theres a lot of things like this out there, such as the tainted peanut butter, the woman with 14 children who I suspect is a M Kultra victim, certain shootings at that bring gun control up.
A lot of what happens has a really strong political charge.

But otherwise, this is just a teenage faux paux and should be dealt with by a bit of counselling and parents, not that she may or may not rebel. Teenagers aren't young children and some of them dig in their heals when they sense parental controls. However, I don't think anything too alarming happened here.
I think our provincial leader, Gordon Campbell's, drunk driving in Hawaii was a lot more serious and he got out of it. This is minor stuff, nudity.

Again, under the kind of laws they're trying to charge her with, you cannot be both a perpetrator and a victim and in order for a judge to bend or grey those laws, the danger in criminalizing misbehaving teenagers with laws that are designed to protect them from adult preadators is extremely dangerous to our rights. It is a very clear legal distinction, this thing about being a perpetrator and victim, its part of the safeguards built into our laws.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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It is all about creating crime, because crime creates jobs for Judges, lawyers, police, clerks, guards and on and on.

This is why men in this country can't get a fair trial. Courts give women everything in divorce cases and child custody cases because it encourages divorce. The more divorce, the more broken families, the more crime. Whether or not people are willing to admit it, the system works to survive, to keep itself not only alive, but growing. This is the same situation with prohibition. These are the two biggest cancers in our government, but the same people who call for shrinking government always support these two government activities.

Starting to treat teenage sex as a crime is a gold mine for our criminal justice system. People who back these types of actions, arresting teenagers for posting nude pictures of themselves, are only feeding the beast.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Yes, because they dont live in the prudish US or GB, where you can go to jail, but cant copulate, when you are 14 (sorry to you and the site owner if iam vulgar
). Look for example at some more ENLIGHTENED european countries.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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This is idiotic.
OBVIOUSLY the pictures should be taken down IMMEDIATELY and she should be told why she shouldn't have done that OBVIOUSLY but to charge her with anything is beyond absurd.

Next are they going to charge her with molesting herself?

Whomever thought this was a good idea to prosecute really needs to get a job they can handle such as fast food drive thru bagger. Not the actual person that takes the money or the order but the person who bags the food. Anything more then that is OBVIOUSLY more then this person can handle.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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It can be said that both the mainstream media as well as parental failures can be held accountable. Many adolescents turn to the media for guidance because their parents no longer hold a position of respect for them. Nudity and pornography are also not one and the same. All human beings are born nude and remain so all their lives. The body doesn't grow its own clothing. It is the body's natural form, the whole body. Sexual activities are only a fraction of the body's function. Charging her with child pornography is ludicrous when she herself is the "child" in question. If these were simply nude photographs and not overtly sexual or "obscene" then they are simply nude photographs, not pornography. The human body is not simply an object of sex. It is a complete living organism. Concealing its true form should be as much a choice as revealing it. Unless she was engaging in some kind of sexual behavior in addition to nudity, this is not pornography. I suggest all concerned parties write to the publisher of this article or whomever hold the most power and actually affect the outcome of this situation rather than sit around assigning blame.

As a small addendum, adolescents and middle-aged men are different in that middle aged men have the benefit of half their natural lifetime of experience from which to make better decisions and to have learned from their experiences. Adolescents have only their childhood experience to base decisions on. To hold children more responsible than fully matured adults is as ridiculous as the case in question.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if she is registered as a sex offender, because posting the images on MySpace counts as convincing children to look at naked pictures of herself, or at least that is the argument that the court will use.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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But the court, unless it is bending the law, cannot consider her both the victim and perpetrator. Courts do know the difference and would have to be questioned if they think they can do as they see fit.



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Respect the Law!!!

What for, no one else does, certainly not the judges, the lawyers, the cops, our our government or corporate leaders. Our laws have became so oppressive they don't deserve respect. In our current situation, everyone is a criminal. There are so many laws that there is no way to avoiding breaking the law.


That is a pitiful cop out. You have every right and freedom in this country to do something about the laws if you feel they are unjust. To sit around and make excuses as to why you shouldn't respect the law, yet I'm willingly to bet you have made no REAL strides to change these injustices, except for maybe blogging at your computer desk, well, it is childish.

Don't call yourself a patriot just because you rebel, that doesn't make you righteous. Either respect the law, change the law, or if all else fails, peacefully refuse to follow the law, and accept the consequences of such acts, but do not make excuses for disrespecting the law.

Law is a powerful thing, and a necessity for any nation which has the rights of people in mind. If you feel that the law is abused, lead by example, and do something about it. Something other than making excuses for that which is inexcusable.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by mystiq
But the court, unless it is bending the law, cannot consider her both the victim and perpetrator. Courts do know the difference and would have to be questioned if they think they can do as they see fit.


Yes they can.
It happens every time a drug offender is granted parole pending treatment, instead of cold hard jail time.


and my God, stop blaming it on the media.

The media did not make this girl post her nude pics on myspace.

Three things are lacking in this neutered country:
Accountability and....well....two other things (use your imagination)

[edit on 30-3-2009 by Fremd]



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Not applicable in this case, and this is apples and oranges. The only thing that is comparable, though it has different protocols, is suicide cases. This division does exist in law.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Yes it does.

There's entrapment on her end by luring them in with false identification


and then there *could* be separate charges of child pornography on their end for looking a pictures of a 14 year old.

Though they should be exempt since there was no way to know she was 14.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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I have every right in the world to dis-respect the law, especially when it is very clear that that laws in this country have become absurdly out of control. I will repeat my original statement which you failed to answer. Why should anyone respect the law when the people who are supposed to be enforcing the law clearly have to respect for the law?

As far as what I do to change the laws, I participate in the political process, get involved with campaigns, write my representatives, am a co-coordinator for a civil rights group, as well as actively participating regular in online forums pushing for changes in the law. You shouldn't make accusations against people you know nothing about.

Do you respect that law? Do you think Government has the right to tell us how to raise our children? Do you think fathers should have rights in family courts and have rights to equally participate in the raising of their offspring? Do you think it is right for the courts to order a guy to pay for child support for a child he never knew he had, who might not even be his progeny, and who he has not only never seen, but will never be granted the right to see and raise as he sees fit as a child should be raised?

The claim that we should respect the law is the biggest cop out there ever was. What do you think the Boston tea party was about?



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Do you respect that law? Do you think Government has the right to tell us how to raise our children? Do you think fathers should have rights in family courts and have rights to equally participate in the raising of their offspring? Do you think it is right for the courts to order a guy to pay for child support for a child he never knew he had, who might not even be his progeny, and who he has not only never seen, but will never be granted the right to see and raise as he sees fit as a child should be raised?

The claim that we should respect the law is the biggest cop out there ever was. What do you think the Boston tea party was about?



I could not have put it better myself. If it wasn't in better words than I could have put it down in I'd have to say I was reading my own thoughts.

The justice system is really an injustice system(and a huge waste of tax money). But really, the "justice system" is "just a system" and not even a good one at that. We don't need to fix it, we need to throw it out and start from the ground up. Eliminate poverty and you eliminate most crime. That means all you need is a small system, one that uses less money. Invest the money in the people, not in the systems that oppress them. Give the people a basic salary, housing, universal healthcare, free education, meet their basic needs and they will feel better about themselves and seek to improve themselves and their communities.

I wonder how many people understand the amount of stress this girl will be subjected to? It's dehumanizing and causes humilliation, anxiety, embarassment, the loss of dignity and self worth etc. To subject her to this is a real crime.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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None of the issues pertaining to adults viewing this can relate to the specific charges against her. She simply cannot be both victim and perpertrator of what they're choosing to charge her with. By the way, the entrapment doesn't make sense from her point of view, but it does in the political purpose that this may serve, and I really believe theres a possibility that this is a political show thats been set up. Nudity isn't really a big issue, nor should it be.

This a minor thing. I also believe that making a big deal out of this is far more criminal in what it could do to her self esteem and psyche, and scar her for life.

Edited because I needed a coffee to post properly.


[edit on 30-3-2009 by mystiq]



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Fremd
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Yes it does.

There's entrapment on her end by luring them in with false identification


and then there *could* be separate charges of child pornography on their end for looking a pictures of a 14 year old.

Though they should be exempt since there was no way to know she was 14.


Are you kidding? The law doesn't care. How many men have been sent to jail for "raping" a 17 or 16 year old? Millions. Sure they were at a bar, you had to have an ID to get in, and she told him she was 22, but that doesn't matter she was really 17 so she was "raped". What? You were drunk as a skunk, and so was the girl? Well she didn't rape you you raped her! How that makes sense I have no idea but according too the courts if two drunk people have sex the woman is not responsible for her actions but the man is.



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