Originally posted by mcgilligan02
On September 30, 2006, the Congress modified the Insurrection Act ***SNIP***

The 2008 Defense Authorization Bill, repeals the changes made in the 2007 bill. [3]

The 2007 Defense Authorization Bill, with over $500 billion allocated to the military, and which also contained the changes to the Insurrection Act of 1807, was passed by a bipartisan majority of both houses of Congress: 398-23 in the House and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[1] In order for military forces to be used under the provisions of the revised Insurrection Act, the following conditions must be met:

(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--
(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--
(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

And you sir, are missing the point entirely.

1) The above act specifically says "The President may employ... etc..." yet I haven't read anywhere that the President sent these troops.

2) The above act describe situations where military may be used. Do you think working a crime scene where the killer is already dead is one of those situations? That is absurd. The threat had already passed.

3) The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 is still valid. It was enacted to prevent the military from acting as a police force. There are civilian police forces that could have easily helped secure the crime scene as there was no confrontation left, only investigation.

Seriously, what were they there for? They weren't bagging evidence, they aren't allowed to question witnesses, the killer was already dead. Were they going to hand out traffic citations or do sobriety tests to people swerving? There was nothing for them to do, and no legal reason to be there. The military was never designed to police The People. I don't care how comforted some are that "the military is here, everything is fine now!!" The military was designed to protect The People, not police them.

In closing let me say that I am an not Anti-Military. I am very thankful for the men and women of our Armed Forces. They are outstanding individuals whom we owe a great deal of respect and gratitude toward. I just believe that they should not be misused as a police force.

***EDITED to shorten the quotation a bit***

[edit on 3/13/2009 by Autonomous]

No problem at all. This is a discussion, not a sermon, and I feel all sides should leave knowing that even if their point isn't agreed upon, atleast it was considered and understood.


About your reply, please not that the act says this:

(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--
(A) restore public order ....etc etc.


What I am referring to is that the President did not send these personnel, they were instead sent by the FBI, so the story goes, and the FBI has no Constitutional Authority to do so.

In the end I wish to get this point across:

If we have rules set forth by the government to limit the government, then I was to see those rules followed. I hold no ill will towards the men and women of our Armed Forces, I only wish to see our government follow its own laws. If they do not lead by example then they shouldn't lead at all.

True, but it could work both ways. It would be an assumption to say he didn't. A little thing as this wouldn't get reported and I'm sure he would't have anyone from his cabinet give a press conferance because of it.

It was a one night thing, hardley a reason to alert the media for.

Then again it could have been NG and the FBI contacted the Governer and he gave the okay for a few soldiers to be there. Which is even more plausible.

Either way, a few soldiers for a few hours being used is hardley worthy of giving a statement to the media.

About my post: I am more interested in pointing out the fact that us 'good,' loving, honest, reasonable and true are pitted against an ever growing number of gunned-up psychopaths. This transcends plotical lines, race, religion, econmics. I want to stay positive, but in my mind this is the threat above all threats.

Pointing out the fact that a couple of MPs were on the street, even if it's unconstitutional and underreported, was merely a lead in to my real point. The psychos are the enemy. Killing our children, mothers, fathers, friends. This will not be a revolution, but a war against the legion of madness. Are you getting ready? It will come in spurts, then one day WAMM! we are in a 48 hour death match. You ready? Guns? Ammo? Tactical gear?

[edit on 13-3-2009 by Z.S.P.V.G.]

When I first heard the details on this story I though that this guy was a ‘targeted individual’, a gangstalking (COINTELPRO) victim who had his family and everyone else turned against him and couldn’t handle it. I’m still leaning that way but the violation of posse comitatus now has me wondering if he wasn’t a mind control victim. Either way, the PTB are certainly getting all of the mileage they can out it. They seem to be stepping up the pace, and no longer worried about concealing their actions and intentions.

Originally posted by dariousg
Then again, this may actually be the NG and not an active duty unit.

These days, what is the difference?

Where has the NG been lately, and what have they been doing over there?

Has anyone else thought that this guy's rampage might have been "triggered" in order to confiscate more guns? Excuse me if this has already been brought up, I'm late to this thread.