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4 arrested in NV probe of 'anti-government' group

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posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by ragnarak
This is just bias and bad journalism. A very bad (and blantant) attempt to subliminally link anti-government to illegal behavior.



Actually I believe the alleged culprits are to blame for that.


It's one thing to be anti-gov... it's another to break the law with money laundering etc, which was the expressed intent of this group. Their goals were not to incite terrorism via violence but via the system. I commend them for being non-violent in their approach, however they are still breaking the law; albeit a law they may perceive as being "oppressive".

Why is there so much knee jerk reaction to reactionaries being arrested on this forum?

DD, thanks for the post, but your stance on this is far from impartial.




posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
How long will it be before they come for me I wonder. I'm the most critical person I know of the government and I'm publicly vocal here in Reno, NV...

Joint Terrorism Task Force...Basically they been looking for excuses to bust American citizens on trumped up charges. I don't believe a word of what these people are saying.


Sad when the chance of your doors being kicked in by the jack booted gov. thugs is greater than the chance of criminals doing it to you.

They need real world practice runs at it I guess.

The anxiety and feelings of oppression build.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty? A few charges are laid and the people are automatically guilty. That's what happens when people put too much faith in the authorities to wield their powers with restraint and humility. After all, they wouldn't lay charges if the people were actually innocent would they?


Innocent people are charged every day. Innocent people take plea bargains to save themselves from stiffer penalties and bankruptcy every day. Innocent people are convicted every day.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:19 PM
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I guess the big difference is that I'm not laundering money or cheating on taxes in any way. I'm certainly not going to buy what the government is selling...But I'm not going to do anything that would cost me my freedom in more extreme ways.

You can be anti-government without being a criminal.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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So why aren't our governing agencies arrested and deemed terrorists? They do the exact same things and worse.

The create wars under fals pretenses and murder millions of people. They use all the legal paperwork as a terroristic tactic to control society. They achieve their goals by creating fear amongst the population and robbing us of our money that we worked so hard for. Do this or we will arrest and imprison you. Do this or we will put leins on you and take everything you own.

The government are terrorists and have you sympathizing with them. Brainwashed since birth. Think for yourselves.

Make a stand.Stop supporting terrorism,stop paying taxes.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
I guess the big difference is that I'm not laundering money or cheating on taxes in any way. I'm certainly not going to buy what the government is selling...But I'm not going to do anything that would cost me my freedom in more extreme ways.

You can be anti-government without being a criminal.


See they already have you too.

If you are pro-Constitutional how can you be anti-Govt.?

It's the Govt. that is anti-Constitutional............so really, they are the Terriorists.

Get it? See how they have done that to everyone? Even the one's trying to make the correction to the Govt. calls themselves Anit-Government. When clearly, they are Pro-Govt. by the Constitution.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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I'm very much an advocate of the Constitution, and know how to wield it. But I won't resort to violating the system, I'll change it to reflect a Constitutional system.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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Now as far as these guys go. If they did do the leins, and the slight checks, then they need to go away. As for the machine guns, I doubt it somehow. They can come up with some pretty trumped up crap when it come to guns, as to what technically what is.
I'll bet that the gun charges don't stick. That's added propaganda crap they are doing with that.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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I know you are. But do you get how twisted backwards they make it look?



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Actually, the liens are not invalid, and the "paper Terrorism" is a ruse to brainwash people into believing that only the system can do these things but when the people try to enforce contracts, they get arrested.

These were some of the leaders of the "Redemption" movement and Militia members. They were teaching seminars about Taxes, Freedom and Sovereignty. They were set up and I don't know the details but it appears that money spent on seminars by FBI agents undercover were used to claim they owed taxes that were not paid. If that is not entrapment, then what is?

I suspect that when the truth comes out and how these people were set up and attacked, it will become clear to many that the second american revolution has already started. They are coming after the TOP people now, who are teaching freedom and how to remain free. These people are teaching Roger Elvick material and Roger has made mistakes but he is always working on improving everything and he has lots of right on info about how the system functions and how it can be used against corrupt government officials. This is working and that is why these people were arrested.

Read this if you want to know who Sam Davis is and how dangerous this man really is to the corrupt government officials. They are not anti-government. They are for CORRECTING Government and FIXING it and rooting out the crooks!

Read the following pages for more info.

www.freedomdomain.com...

and more here
www.freedomdomain.com...



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[edit on 7-3-2009 by infoliberator]

The fact that one member was an EX-FBI agent is disturbing, but it could be someone who wants to help straighten things out. He may have nothing to do with the set up, or he may have. He could have been one of the good ones for all we know. Details are still emerging.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by infoliberator]



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The charges brought against Randy Weaver were bull so I wouldn't put anything past the fed.

I wonder if there will be new wave of "homegrown" terrorist crackdowns. This must be that Clinton/Reno era nostalgia so many were looking forward to reliving. Let's see if they burn a bunch of cult members to death like Waco.

Ah, the 90's.


Yeah, they got Reno's #1 b#$ch Eric Holder in there smooth as silk. Probably going to be all kinds of fun parties happening soon.

The good old days are back, we need to keep up with the goings-on in our regions and make sure we report here. Unless they accidentally kill 500 kids and can't blame it on someone else, then MSM will NOT be reporting it.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Seems,to me that the authorities are beginning to get a little unnerved by the growing succession movement in some sates.I think we should expect more arrests and "reporting" like this as more sates file motions telling the Federal Government to back off.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Quite true, which begs the question, why aren't all the current bank fraud HEADS being incarcerated like these individuals?

Although the U.S. propaganda machine is steering our collective outrage toward the banks, we should be equally outraged — and even more so — with the economic villainy of the U.S. Government, which is presently dispensing huge hunks of our national wealth like door prizes at a drunken hoedown.

Didn't anyone else feel a chill during the 2008 campaign when Obama told Joe the Plumber that, if elected, he planned to spread the wealth around...? Well, at least Obama is an honest commie scumbag.

More on topic, our nation has a history of terrorizing, entrapping, indicting, convicting and even murdering those who try to stand against our increasingly corrupt government. Back in the 60s, the Kennedy brothers (JFK & RFK) spied on private U.S. citizens and organizations and used the Internal Revenue Service like a weapon to torment and terrorize anti-government movements. The first Bush administration of the late 80s used entrapment and coercion to turn anti-government militia members into government moles — failing that, the government dispatched the FBI and BATF to murder people associated with the militias (see the Ruby Ridge case). More of the same followed during the Clinton years, with Clinton's Justice Department terrorizing maverick groups (such as the Branch Davidians, who were accused of federal crimes without an investigation, then murdered en masse by the FBI and BATF before they could be brought to trial).

I won't go so far as to suggest that the Clinton Justice Department masterminded and executed the Oklahoma City Bombing (save that for another thread), but Mr. Clinton sure as hell used the tragic occasion to offer a grieving nation one of the most sinister lies ever uttered by an American president. In a public address before tearful mourners in Oklahoma City, just two days after the explosion, Mr. Clinton looked right into their faces and declared:

"You cannot love your country and hate your government." It sounded like a threat.

I remember the moment he said that, and I definitely felt a chill go up my back — I could almost hear the ghosts of America's Founders wailing like banshees, spinning in their graves. It was the most un-American thing I'd ever heard come out of a president's mouth. Still is.

The one thing that America has that no other country on earth has is a heritage of revolution. Yes, other nations have had revolutions in their histories, but our country was born out of revolution — rebellion is in our blood, and the Founders endeavored to protect our right to revolt against a tyrannical central government when necessary.

What we see today — indeed, what we've seen ever since the FDR years — is an ongoing assault on our Constitutionally-protected rights to free speech, free press, and the right to bear firearms for the purpose of armed insurrection. Make no mistake, that's exactly what the Second Amendment is about. Which is why the Constitution scares the living hell out of all the socialists and other scumbags in our government who intend to lead this nation into ruin.

It frightens them enough that they're willing to lie, cheat, steal, and even kill American citizens to obscure and undermine our Constitutionally-protected rights to oppose them.


— Doc Velocity

[edit on 3/7/2009 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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"Paper Terrorism" = US Federal Reserve Bank and their fiat currency.

One of these times the feds are going to run into some folks who aren't surprised by the raid and sovereign citizens are going to shoot back. If standoff conditions then formed I would not be surprised if there were those who would come to the aid of the sovereigns under jurisdiction of the constitution and the bill of rights.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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From what I can tell, these guys are just criminals using politics as an excuse.

They don't seem to be anyone I would lionize as heroes, the "Soveriegn Movement," for anybody who didn't know, is an offshoot of the Christian Identity movement, a neo-NAZI cult whose key beliefs include the idea that non-Caucasians have no souls.

Yeah, real "heroes" allright



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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I have always wondered if there was a fifth column out there just in case something takes over the government. It seems they are actually out there.

Shame on them for getting caught. It takes big secrets to save a country.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
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From what I can tell, these guys are just criminals using politics as an excuse.

They don't seem to be anyone I would lionize as heroes, the "Soveriegn Movement," for anybody who didn't know, is an offshoot of the Christian Identity movement, a neo-NAZI cult whose key beliefs include the idea that non-Caucasians have no souls.

Yeah, real "heroes" allright


Your brainwashed by propaganda. The Sovereignty movement is not NeoNazis and Chrsitian Identity people. Those are some of the folks who first discovered it and started it out in the late 70's and early 80's but it has evolved into the "freedom movement" and Sovereignty is an old concept.
Those who are not for "Sovereignty" are for the One-World Government. The New World Order must eliminate "Sovereignty" in order for the people to accept a bordereless and immoral world.
I have been to dozens of Patriot meetings and I have seen blacks, Jews, women, Christians, Pagans, Neo-Nazis, freaks, and upright professionals and real good hearted folks among them all.
People who label "Sovereigns" as Neo-Nazis work for Weisenthal and the ADL and that is where that "Paper Terrorism" paper came from, and there are those that post on ATS and other boards that are paid informants and provocateurs and anyone who bashes Sovereignty ought to be looked upon with suspicion.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Those who are not for "Sovereignty" are for the One-World Government.


The old "you're with us or against us" thing? Wonderful.

As far as being a "paid" anything, kiss my behind, I call em as I see em, I've been here for years and I've been consistently pretty vocally critical of the US government, and especially the militarization of law enforcement (the proverbial jackbooted thugs with AR-15s.)

If someone's paying me, they're sure not getting their money's worth


I distrust the government, but I distrust the far right even more, especially the Neo-NAZI types. If you think this .gov is bad, wait until you see what those guys have in store for us...

If people in this movement have steered away from the hate group stuff, then good for them.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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another thing, the Sovereignty Movement is THE MOST DANGEROUS movement to corrupt government officals and it is the salvation for Properly run Constitutional Government, so therefore it is the MOST infiltrated and heavily propagandized area of freedom that exists.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex



Those who are not for "Sovereignty" are for the One-World Government.


The old "you're with us or against us" thing? Wonderful.

What I mean here is that "Sovereignty" is the antithesis of One-World Order.

If people in this movement have steered away from the hate group stuff, then good for them.


Most sovereigns today, that I meet at the meetings and seminars are people of all variety, race, age, nationality and religion.

I attended Winston Shrouts Los Angeles Redemption seminar last year. There were lots of black folks, lots of asians, and a whole lot of Philipinos. Over the years, the Asians and especially Philipinos have been prevalent in the Sovereignty movement.
But, who do you hera about on the news? The White, over 40 Males with Guns who hunt and live off the land and teach their children the bible or something strange and distasteful to control mechanisms in society.
There are a hell of a lot of people in this country who are FED UP, with the Fed and the NWO, and Sovereignty is a catalyst and an umbrella and a label that can be used by us or against us, depending on how it is swung. It's a dangerous sword, and America is a Sovereign Nation under the will of the people, not the states or federal government, while certain powers are delegated to the government through the constitution, all that are not delegated are WITHHELD!

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