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Originally posted by Echtelion
Completely stupid... Now it's worth that I get off my horse to debunk this crap.
How can people fall in for this one... it can be made with the easiest, oldest trick out there, and that's called the invisible wire.
Instructions:
- take any form of transparent plastic wire, the thinner the better,
- attach it to whatever object you want,
- pull the string by filming the object being animated by a mysterious entity not of this world....
Debunked.
Originally posted by Goathief
Originally posted by mckyle
Originally posted by Pimpish
Luckily I trust my ears more than I trust an audio expect.
Amazing!
You not only ignore the statements of three creditable witnesses,
but also the analysis of the audio by not 1 - but 2 - audio engineers.
Make that three: Teebs, Horza and myself.
We have all said exactly the same thing, perhaps the next accusation will be we are all one and the same.
Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
OH! I nearly forgot.
Three experts(?) for and at least one against. PLUS myself who is humbly working with digital film and audio on a daily basis.
And the main reason I keep posting on this topic is beacuse I believe in ghosts. I have felt them, I have smelt one. I have heard one.
I have also seen a lot of fake video of many things.
I hate fakes. And hoaxers.
[edit on 8.3.2009 by HolgerTheDane]
Originally posted by mckyle
Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
OH! I nearly forgot.
Three experts(?) for and at least one against. PLUS myself who is humbly working with digital film and audio on a daily basis.
And the main reason I keep posting on this topic is beacuse I believe in ghosts. I have felt them, I have smelt one. I have heard one.
I have also seen a lot of fake video of many things.
I hate fakes. And hoaxers.
[edit on 8.3.2009 by HolgerTheDane]
Holger, dear boy, you haven't exactly got a great track record on this thread reagrding your 'research'.
Let me see:
First series of posts containing insults and spurious claims - proven wrong - very easily I might add.
And now you introduce an "academic" friend of yours who coneveniently is also a sound expert!
Hmmm. I'm sorry, but you've got to play credibility catchup after your faux pas the other day:
Please provide an email address to your academic friend - not a free account one - a real ".edu" one please, from the institution.
Until I see that email address and verify your "friend's" credentials, I won't be wasting time with your posts.
No offence.
[edit on 9-3-2009 by mckyle]
Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Would you care to explain why the sound on the originally posted video sported a clearly spoken word "wire" and the soundtrack now is a called out "liar"?
[edit on 9.3.2009 by HolgerTheDane]
Originally posted by MarrsAttax
This is important evidence. Maybe this can explain why some people are adamant it's a whisper whereas I was convinced it was a shout.
Clearly if it can be demonstrated that the soundtrack has been altered this would be a death knell for the credibility of the case.
Can you post both audio clips so we can listen to the difference?
Originally posted by MarrsAttax
Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Would you care to explain why the sound on the originally posted video sported a clearly spoken word "wire" and the soundtrack now is a called out "liar"?
[edit on 9.3.2009 by HolgerTheDane]
This is important evidence. Maybe this can explain why some people are adamant it's a whisper whereas I was convinced it was a shout.
Clearly if it can be demonstrated that the soundtrack has been altered this would be a death knell for the credibility of the case.
Can you post both audio clips so we can listen to the difference?
Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
It might be prudent to note that even though the father, son or uncle (I forget who's who) claim to be unable to edit a file, it might be untrue. If they/he can produce the hoax he/she/it can change the sound. Easily.
Originally posted by Pimpish
I just want to point out that from the very first time I watched this video, which I watched embedded in the OP's post, and did not read a single comment on youtube, nor in this thread before I watched it, I clearly heard the word "wire" being whispered. Every single viewing since I have heard the same thing and it still boggles my mind that anyone could think that it is someone yelling from another room, when to me, it clearly is NOT.
Originally posted by MarrsAttax
***snip***
Edit to ask: Can we just confirm that we are talking about the same time frame - at 1:39?
[edit on 9/3/2009 by MarrsAttax]
Originally posted by MarrsAttax
reply to post by HolgerTheDane
That's unfortunate. I'm not doubting that you may have heard it as a whisper on first viewing but it may be that you simply interpreted differently later on. Without an 'original' audio clip there is no way of proving the audio was altered.
I would note though that user Pimpish posted the following four days after the original OP (it's on Page 20 my emphasis added)
Originally posted by Pimpish
I just want to point out that from the very first time I watched this video, which I watched embedded in the OP's post, and did not read a single comment on youtube, nor in this thread before I watched it, I clearly heard the word "wire" being whispered. Every single viewing since I have heard the same thing and it still boggles my mind that anyone could think that it is someone yelling from another room, when to me, it clearly is NOT.
So there is at least one person who was still hearing a whisper many days after the video was posted (maybe Pimpish can confirm if this is still the case) which tends to point towards the differences in sound being subjective rather than the result of deception.
Edit to ask: Can we just confirm that we are talking about the same time frame - at 1:39?
[edit on 9/3/2009 by MarrsAttax]
I can't imagine how someone could listen to the sound in that video and say that the word "wire" was a yell from another room. It clearly was a whisper, by the tone of the voice. The reason it sounds louder, is because it's closer, not because it's a yell. Take away your preconceived notions and this becomes obvious. I'm not saying that is proof that this is a hoax in any way, shape, or form, but it is clear to me that someone is whispering the word "wire" for whatever currently unknown reasons.
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
reply to post by Death_Kron
Glad you re-listened, friend, because regardless of what word was heard at 1:39 or so, it sure in no way was a 'whisper'. In fact, its odd how on both here and the youtube comments it was described as such.
Originally posted by Astrobee
reply to post by mckyle
mckyle, you have one smart ass reply after another in this thread. I'll bet your just a little bitter pill, huh?
You called my first post stupid and on and on it goes but this isn't about you. Thankfully.
Let's forget the audio piece. Although I am still mystified why no one heard the horse rock. If they heard it at night, why didnt they hear it in the other adjacent room?
Anyway, look closely to how the horse rocks. The front of the horse looks like it is being pulled down, exactly the way a fishing line would do it.
Plus I have another question, why kind of camera was used? It was either an 8mm or vhs, correct? Either way, they only have say 15-30 minutes (8mm is way less, maybe 5 min max) of film time. And they were going to run the camera at night to catch the culprit? OK, thats fine but what happens when the 5 minutes of film runs out? What about the other 7 hours and 55 minutes of nightime?
This has boax written all over it and now that I've seen all of your sarcastice replies, its no wonder you've fallen for it. Makes sense to me.
[edit on 9-3-2009 by Astrobee]