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NATO has approved US plans for part of a controversial missile defence shield to be stationed in the Czech Republic, but Russia is strongly opposed to the plan.
Originally posted by Bunch
This missile shield program is one prime example of the overblown, out of control, way over budget and ineffective weapon programs that the DOD have. They should have scrap it a long time ago and I think Russia would call the US bluff on this one and do nothing.
They already know that our current financial situation calls from programs like this to be terminated.
Originally posted by ziggy1706
This is the same idea, i had replied in another post months ago..scrap the missle shield in europe. This whole thing with the Russians going global now too, started becuase fo the european missle defense shield..its an excellent idea! thier was NO need for it in the first place.
IMO Obama never intended to continue the European NMD base plan, it's a pricey, pointless white elephant.
Do you think it is a wise move on Obama' behalf?
Do you think America is ready for another Cold War?
The current administration isn't going to try, and a lot of armchair generals are going to be pretty bent at watching their dreams of a Pax Americana crumble, no doubt. But it was a terrible idea in the first place, and we can't afford it anyway.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Right, and the tooth fairy really exists. I'll believe that when Obama tells Israel that they can go it alone, that we don't support them anymore, and we will stop giving them the $3 Billion dollars a year in military aid, AND when Obama REVERSES his decision to send 20,000 MORE American troops into Afghanistan, and pulls them all out.
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Ownification
I beg to differ with you.
Even if (and I personally don't believe this) were not trying to make nuclear weapons, wether the US/NATO/EU thinks they are or not does have great meaning.
Not to fall to the tired,"Glass parking lot" statement...
But, seriously, if the US/NATO/EU thinks they are, they may attack to distroy it.
Since Iran has placed it nuclear facilities under heavily populated cities ( yes, it was a calculated risk to protect the nuclear equipment, not the people above it).
I seriously doubt that all the radiation of their refining and the nuclear tipped weapons needed to get them that far underground. (special ground penetrating weapons,"Bunker Busters")
Development continued, with weapons such as the nuclear B61, and conventional thermobaric weapons and GBU-28. One of the more effective housings, the GBU-28 used its large mass (2,130 kg / 4,700 lb) and casing (constructed from barrels of surplus 203 mm howitzers) to penetrate 6 meters (20 ft) of concrete, and more than 30 meters (100 ft) of earth. The B61 Mod 11, which first entered military service in January 1997, was specifically developed to allow for bunker penetration, and is speculated to have the ability to destroy hardened targets a few hundred feet beneath the earth.
While penetrations of 20–100 feet (30 m) were sufficient for some shallow targets, both the Soviet Union and the United States were creating bunkers buried under huge volumes of soil or reinforced concrete in order to withstand the multi-megaton thermonuclear weapons developed in the 1950s and 1960s. Bunker penetration weapons were initially designed out of this Cold War context.
The reason I reference Nuclear tipped bunker busters is that the only way enough explosive power ( to penetrate all the Earth and steel reinforced concrete to get to the refining equipment) in a small enough package to fit in a bunker bunker, is a small nuclear explosion.
[edit on 3/2/2009 by mrmonsoon]
RUSSIA BRUSHES OFF OBAMA: NO 'HAGGLING' Tue Mar 03 2009 09:15:17 ET Russian President Dmitri Medvedev on Tuesday showed willingness to discuss the US-planned missile defense system opposed by Moscow, but without 'haggling' linking it to Iran.