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reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 12:43 PM by Gazrok
Observe 50 brings up an interesting point...but given the coverage of the Earth's waters with current technology, it seems unlikely an advanced race is beneath the waves.... Not impossible...just improbable....


So, what now? Why can't we get the truth out? Who do we have to call?


Only one of two parties can disclose...the government, or the aliens. To do so, one of them would need a reason more pressing than our curiosity...


Everyone agrees we need full disclosure, but it won't happen. Not until the media gets on board, and I mean the mainstream respected media. AP, Reuters, UPI.


I'd disagree with full disclosure. Something of this magnitude needs to be managed and in stages, for the least amount of disruption to society... I'm not talking about religion, but economics (and in some places, this is the same thing)...


Sheppard Smith needs to do a story, without his usual smurky remarks.


No journalist is going to address the issue seriously...without turning it into a ridicule issue (just look at the late Bilderberger Peter Jennings' Roswell special)... Converting the UFO phenomenon from serious defense concern to object of ridicule is perhaps the most masterful stroke of modern secret-keeping yet devised....


Diane Sawyer needs to put Obama on the spot.


It's highly unlikely that Presidents are even briefed on this nowadays.... If we do accept that the government is hiding this secret...it's much more probable that it's being done by those in positions that outlast the electorate...

Also...what if they're hiding it for a darn good reason...??? Maybe it's even a condition of avoiding invasion/purification, etc.? Who knows? For all we know...government may not even have a choice in the matter....


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:49 PM by Tallsorts
I have never seen a UFO; nor an extra-terrestrial spacecraft; nor an extra-terrestrial being, so I can’t say I’ve witnessed these things with my own eyes. It is vitally important that as many known and documented quality sightings are gathered and published in the way that you are doing.

What I do know, is that there have been what are called ‘channelings’ between discarnate humans and extra terrestrials which have occurred since ancient times. These are mind to mind communications between beings in more than one dimension, and I do have personal experience of this over a 30 year period, but only as far as I know, with discarnate humanity.

Now, before people say I’m crazy and what has this to do with extra-terrestrial life and UFO’s: these occurrences go on all over the world, and many of them are said to come from extra-terrestrials. There is one particular message which was written recently and suggests that we may have only a short time to wait until we all receive some significant contact from friendly alien nations.

Here is a short extract from the message at the following link:

www.paoweb.com...

Yet within America are a heart and a Soul pledged to regaining the full freedoms promised in the Declaration of Independence and the American Bill of Rights. This resolute movement lies at the very core of what our Earth allies are all about. A few in the present government still present obstacles to this noblest of causes, but what they are unaware of is that the legal drive to re-establish an active Constitution is close to implementation.

With this victory secured, the intent is to set up provisional governance that can carry out what we are talking about. The present conditions demand a drastic and thorough recasting of America's government. The dark and its minions established a deliberately non-responsive system that would be unable to address what now faces America and the world. Exhaustive "house-cleaning" is therefore necessary before any attempt can be made to form a responsible and ethically elected new government. A transition period of eight to nine months is anticipated. During this time a large amount of new and currently sequestered technology can be introduced, along with a formal introduction of our presence and mission.


If the transition period turns out to be the eight or nine months suggested, I may yet get to see UFO’s, Alien Spacecraft and extra-terrestrials with my own eyes; I can’t wait!!!


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 02:49 PM by Lost_Mind
I love these unexplained cases and there are a few more. Very good post exampling the separation of the wheat from the chaff. Although, I dont see this as "proof" but very damn good evidence that there is indeed something happening and people are observing it. As a skepitcal person (not a debunker) I would have to agree that there are without a doubt a number of very good examples of wholly unexplainable instances UAP's still begging for answers.

I agree with Gazroks dualistic summarization that these very highly detailed and very credibly observed events can be boiled down to the two choices given, but I will still give humans great capacity to create and control devices such as these. One thing is always going to be undeniable - those who are to be charged with the creation and control of such objects/devices/conveyances have shown in the past in other instances that they will go to very, very great lengths to keep the secrets. I dont personally think it is improbable nor impossible that such an overwhelming technological advance in either transport or quantuim mech/physics and materials research could not be kept secret for a long period of time, if needed. Compartmentalization if contructed correctly does wonders to keep those who think they are in the know, out of it.

Having said that, for me, I will at present usually stay on the side of allowing the events to remain simply unexplained. And I am very happy with that. To me, at this point, to lean harder towards alien visitation is an exercise in futile speculation simply because there is not a common scientific consensus that proves intelligent life exists elsewhere in our galaxy/universe and that a pro argument (alien life visiting earth) devolves into anectdotal evidence and fuzzy pics/videos. Believer vs. debunkers - a war between the "wants" and "want-nots". We are smart and we should accept no less than irrefutable, testable and independently verifiable evidence to prove these things.

In the bigger picture, a few people on a forum believing in these ideas does nothing to help prove anything. Science getting closer everyday to seeing a much higher probability of life being out there, but as of now there is not an iota of proof extrasolar life exists, no matter how probable it is. So I will stay in the very very hopeful, more than likely its there, but wont admit to it until there is generally accepted evidence of it camp. I guess I could be seen as a hopefully, optimistic skeptic. I dont think that is an oxymoron...

[edit on 26-2-2009 by Lost_Mind]


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 04:07 PM by Deson
To the OP,

A wonderful collection of info. I'll be digging through this eagerly and enjoying it greatly.

One thing though that caught my eye though.

On
this page where Project Twinkle is talked about and the sightings. There is talk of the devices used to track the UFOs. No problem there. Directly below the composite picture there is discussing about the V2. The problem is that the missile portrayed on the pictures technically isn't a V2. It's a Viking. More info on the Viking here. Since the Viking had different flight characteristics than the V2 (50 miles altitude for the V2 vs 158 miles for the Viking) wouldn't that make things just a bit ... well.. off?


reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 06:34 PM by Dr Pepper
reply to post by Xtraeme


Great thread!! S'd & F'd
It's a shame though that people tend to overlook the cases you bring up, and instead, seem to focus on Blossom Goodchild, Billy Meir, and the other questionable (if not fake) people.
On a side note: Your avatar is hilarious.
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