President Obama to water down 'Buy American' plan after EU trade war threat

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I think the Europeans are just afraid that us having our sovereignty back will meant that we'll become great again.

Wait, what? When did you not have your sovereignty last?

What will the European American-haters do then when our country is strong and all well?

Take the piss for your dreadful healthcare system, spiralling national debt and general lack of decorum, obviously.

reply to post by Kryties


Remember is a matter of opinion against historical facts or rather what history has written.

BTW the Desert storm (my husband was part of it) was not solely led by the US it was pleanty of Coalition forces that came to the rescue.

Our friends in the UK were the second largest deployment of forces after the US.

Coalition involvement,

United Kingdom
The United Kingdom sent the largest contingent of any European nation participating in combat operations during the war. Operation Granby was the name for the operations in the Persian Gulf. British Army regiments (mainly with the British 1st Armoured Division), Royal Navy vessels, and Royal Air Force squadrons were mobilised to the Gulf. The Royal Air Force, using various aircraft, operated from airbases in Saudi Arabia. Almost 2,500 armoured vehicles and 43,000 troops[5] were shipped for action.

Others, 39 nations in all.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Kryties


What have I done? Let's see... I was born. I went through my toddler years. I went to elementary school, then middle school. Then I went to high school while attending a vo-tech school. I spent a year in college, and I didn't like it, so I left. Since then I've been working in retail.

And worst of all, I see myself surrounded by people who have lead similar lives of greed and tyranny. They get born, they go to school, they grow up, they get a job, and they live peacefully in their communities. Some of those sicko Americans around me even go on to do really horrible things, like get married and have kids.

Yeah, we're a real son of a bitch, aren't we? Now that I've analyzed my life, I can see why everyone hates Americans, and by extension, me. It's about time I start looking into the reasons why I should be eliminated from the gene pool (I don't care where you're from, "humor" like that is effed up.)

Or, better yet, I can just revert back to what I said in my last post: I'm not concerned with why you people hate us anymore.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


EVERY war that Australia has been a part of has been to help out America. You guys say you've 'bled' for us? How dare you! We bled right alongside you, fighting and dying - many of those wars perpetuated by you. How self-righteous of you to say such things.

And you wonder why the world hates America, when there are people like you in it with attitudes like that.

Originally posted by Kryties
EVERY war that Australia has been a part of has been to help out America.

What about the Great War? You were a bit more punctual than the Yanks that time. Cheers and all.

reply to post by jBrereton


That we were

Thankyou for reminding me of that!

The only difference between Bush and Obama is one is a hell of a speaker.

One is also black too, but sadly that does not fix economic problems.

He has only been in office for around two weeks, but with these types of plans I do not see things getting better.

reply to post by marg6043


you just missed a few wars there

War of 1812 started by the USA

Spanish American war again started by the USA

the invasion of Panama again started by the good ole USA

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


And you are right, but for some reason Obama seems very honest about trying to rescued the economy, but too much private interest and groups trying to sabotage whatever he has planned.

Not that I feel that it will help in the long term, no without addressing the real problems that America faces.

We have no industrial base, we own the entire world (figuratively speaking) and now our politicians looking for generous benefactors no only are selling America but also our sovereignty.

I said before in this board many times along with others that one day Americas benefactors will come back and influeces Americas policies due to their large investments in the America economy.

Now is happening.

Now our government is luring rich Arabs nations and even trying to accommodate for their believes to get money, as China, UK and Japan has troubles of their own.

Have you seen the Senate version of the stimulus, is the most unconstitutional bill ever made.

No only change the wording to allocate funds from government to private sector as "investments" but once this money goes into private hands we the tax payer all are going to get is a bill plus interest and still a collapsing economy.




[edit on 4-2-2009 by marg6043]

Maybe he should have called it "quality control" as the EU has instead of "buy American"and gotten away with for that matter. Perhaps it is time for some people to dig a little further. The EU set in motion new laws on imports from the USA they called "quality control" measures....same thing as what Obama is doing just under a different name. It all just a play to make people on both sides think their government is doing what is best for them, nothing more nothing less.

Then we should all write our senators and congressmen ESPECIALLY the ones of us with democrats as representatives. If you don't agree with it, make your opinion heard.

I have heard back from every single rep I have contacted(their office). This bill will not stimulate the economy. I wouldn't doubt it is to break it so that the government then has to implement a more socialist version of government to "save us".

Its bad news. The first bailout was bad news, this is even worse. I was against the first one, but, was unsure about if it would help so I didn't do anything but watch. Where has the first one gotten us?? Are banks lending more?? No. Has the economy improved. Hell no.

Why will incurring more debt on a bunch of pork fix us????

reply to post by llpoolej


Trust me I have e-mail my congressman and senators so much that I get mails now directed to me in very nice and expensive legal papers

Occurs I ask this time my senators if they were patriots as the Waterdown of the buy America should not be allow to happen.

But as usual our representatives do not listen to us.

[edit on 4-2-2009 by marg6043]

Again, I believe they feel we work for them, not they work for us. Its about keeping their power and keeping us sheeple.

I am not that unhappy with the TN government, but, they have voted against these bills

reply to post by LoneGunMan


It wasn't a threat, I was merely pointing out the obvious fallacy in calling 90% of men in europe wimps and "unmanly" based upon the testimony of one Danish woman. This comment of yours was obviously in response to having taken my "our ancestors kicked you out" comment a tad too seriously, so appears to have been emotionally charged as opposed to being level headed.

In any case, your apology for the old personal "insult" is accepted, I actually found it amusing anyway .. Halfling,

Your right about the old "divide and rule" though. We're better off working together than being divided and taking aggressive stances.

Originally posted by stumason
Your right about the old "divide and rule" though. We're better off working together than being divided and taking aggressive stances.

Cheers to that.

Originally posted by stumason

Again, before you give birth to a whole mound of small cats, go back and read what my comment was in response to and then go and get a sense of humour. You Americans just don't det irony and sarcasm, do you?

I am not going to pretend I speak for any other American besides myself. But I do get offended by the America bashing that the Brits on this board so freely engage in. And by the Holier-than-thou attitude regarding OUR heavy handed treatment of the world, imperialism, etc.

The absolute LAST people on the planet that should be pointing fingers at anyone else for that kind of behavior is the English. America exists because of your heavy handed treatment of people and Empire building. Many of us are here because of your "ethnic cleansing" of the northern regions of what is currently "your" country. And after driving many of our families from OUR HOMES to here, you want to sit there all smug and continue the same kind of derogatory talk about us that you used when you were driving us from our homes.

You are just damned lucky there are immigrants here from all over the world who have no personal grudge against you, and so much time has gone by that many people have completely forgotten what asses your royalty were to us, because if it were up to me, I would advocate Britain becoming the 51st state.

So much of the argument here is "you guys just see how far you get without us." Well let me tell you something. We HAVE seen how far we can get without you. You keep saying that to your former colonies, "you will regret this, you need us" and the US, India, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc, have all managed pretty darn well without relying on anything from Britain. Sure some of them still play "queen" with you, but they dont need you. If they cut loose from you they would be perfectly fine.

What exactly do you export except "undesirables," the very heavy handed business model you blame "us" for creating, and pompous attitudes? If anyone could not go it alone it is Britain. And any time you want to prove me wrong, go for it.

[edit on 4-2-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]

Instead of bickering amongst ourselves as if we each represented OUR GOVERNMENTS, remember that individuals are usually a whole heck of a lot nicer and more likeable than what the behavior of their home GOVERNMENT.

I know a lot of people from a lot of countries, both living there and living here and the US and I have liked most that I have met. I have have worked with a lot of brits, whom I got along with great.

No, European men aren't a bunch of pansies and all American men aren't a bunch of verile stallionas. There are weenies and brutes amongst all countries.

There are people I like more than others, but, rarely does it have anything to do with their homeland

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by llpoolej

 

Trust me I have e-mail my congressman and senators so much that I get mails now directed to me in very nice and expensive legal papers

Occurs I ask this time my senators if they were patriots as the Waterdown of the buy America should not be allow to happen.

But as usual our representatives do not listen to us.

If they're really patriots they'd ignore such xenophobic idiocy and concentrate on what is actually patriotic - helping the state by taking measures to ensure its success. Having an EU/US tariff war would cause pretty terrible damage to both sides.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


well that was an utterly pointless post, full of inaccuracies and garbage, hinging solely on the fact that I apparently was claiming that the USA couldn't survive without the UK, which of course it can.

Go back and read what I have said in every post and you will realise, and I believe you know this already, that I was talking about the EU, not the UK.

reply to post by jBrereton


Sorry but I still stand by my point and my opinion that the American bail out money my tax payer money should stay in America.