Within 7 days - 6 died at Minot Air Force Base 07 - Commander now dead

Originally posted by tgambill
questioningale, I'll tell you. The "I was there" has an antagonistic title, and in my opinion was called in by Kyo who cannot handle the heat in debunking another Government, CFR, CIA lie.

Actually, I think Kyo is doing a damn fine job handing people here their ass in a hat. I think that you are trying to smear Kyo because the truth just doesn't taste good to you.

No the truth is not being told. That is what is smearing me. LIES tend to do this. Now, kyo might believe that he is telling the truth or he is believing the MSM explanation. I'll give him that. But the conspiracy is real and its ugly. The evidence is irrefutable but its hard to deal with fabrications and those that use the 25 disinformational tactics until the culling begins. These scum just ran the concentration camps, 3,000 + of them through the House, with H.R. 645.


The elite are getting nervous because their plans are unraveling and they aren't sure why.....knowledge is increasing and its got them nervous.

So, we can expect the major incident to happen soon..........

What people don't get is that many of these postings are linked. The lies about the missing nukes are linked to the same end game as the following stories but from different objectives but same end game.

The government runs tests and experiments on people and have for many decades. The HPV/cervical cancer vacc is a hoax........its kills people.


Its doubtful that this is an accident.........

"Peanut Butter Company Banned from Business with Federal Government, but Big Pharma Kills Thousands More with Impunity By Mike Adams, February 6, 2009 | Key concepts

The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture has banned Peanut Corporation of America from doing business with the federal government. The reason for the ban? Peanut Corp lied about the safety of its peanut butter product, which sickened several hundred people and is linked to the death of eight.
But hold on here: Drug companies routinely lie about the safety of their products. And pharmaceuticals kill at least 100,000 Americans a year, even when used as directed. So why hasn't Big Pharma been banned from conducting business with the federal government?"

Here is the story in short. The Kissinger and Haig Depopulation Plan NSSM 200, is what is means, Depopulation. I heard Rockefeller speak online to an international audience and outright lie about the life expentancy of man in the 1940's compared to now. I did a check and his figure was far off. HE LIED. There is no overpopulation crisis, its a hoax like UFO's, Global warming and Al Qaeda. Its comes from the Iron Mountain Commission report of 1967 setting the stage for the next 40+ years to prepare us for the New World Order. Section 7, outlines their specific objectives. It was not a hoax and those that claim so are LIARS. Sorry to be blunt. I'm getting tired of these scum shills and lying government wienees. The others are from the CFR and civilian members trained to debunk truth by their expertise and training.

Ashley's story

The HPV vaccine: Ashley Ryburn tells her story

www.rockymountainnews.com...

Chronically ill girl eyes vaccine

Poor Ashley is but one of many, many young girls badly affected by this horrendous concoction, which consists of three injections,each containing live attenuated ( meaning "weakened" by chemicals/toxic metals) virus and 225 mcg of aluminum. That makes a total of 675 mcg of aluminum per victim... and I use the word advisedly.

Aluminum is toxic to the human body. It tangles nerve fibers and causes, among other things, neurological disorders and early onset Alzheimer's. Yet it is an ingredient in almost ALL vaccinations. This stuff is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous... why not just eat an eavestrough instead? You'd get the same result!

In Ashley's case, I would highly recommend she see an orthomolecular specialist who could assess her condition based on what elements in her body are needing either removal or balancing. CHELATION therapy, which uses binding agents to remove toxic metals, is probably her best bet for optimal recovery.

I hope that she and her family investigate this option, because this condition will not, and cannot improve, while that aluminum is in her system, and it isn't going anywhere on its own. The treatment she is receiving is symptom-specific, and is not curing anything, but rather condemning her to living this reduced lifestyle.

It may not be the norm for people to think of natural ways to deal with illness, whether contrived or happenstance. But if I were faced with a choice of living like this or doing research to find another way, guess which one I'd pick?

God bless you for going public, Ashley... millions could suffer from a similar fate, were it not for brave young girls like you who are willing to tell the truth.

As for Merck, one wonders if they trotted all their daughters off to get their Gardasil... I'd be betting they didn't!

Posted by Arthur on February 7, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Merck,the manufacturer of the Gardasil vaccine,makes billions from the sale of Gardasil. This is the reason girls are being vaccinated with this dangerous concoction of toxic metals and dead viruses. Ashley is suffering because of this. Only when our health is deemed more important than corporate profits will this madness stop.

8 More Deaths Caused by Gardasil Bringing Total Number to 11

www.naturalnews.com...

Evidence of the elite secretly sterilizing women through vaccines
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forum.prisonplanet.com...

Gov. Perry Under Pressure to Rescind Cervical Cancer Vaccination Order to Protect Girls From HPV

www.foxnews.com...

Three Deaths Linked To Merck’s HPV Vaccine - Gardasil. Does the benefit really outweigh the risk?

women4hope.wordpress.com...

www.truthnews.us...

NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WASHINGTON, D.C. 20506

April 24, 1974 National Security Study Memorandum 200

www.whale.to...

www.oldthinkernews.com...

Waters flowing Eastward [truth about the Zionist movement]

www2.crashrecovery.org...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by KyoZero

 

Now let's take it back to step one: how did the hot warheads end up in the wrong cruise missiles?

KyoZero, I Was There;



Is it possible that the nuclear warheads were mis-identified as non-nuclear ordinance prior to being mounted in the cruise missles?

Alternatively, is it possible that the nuclear armed missles were mis-identified, perhaps intentionally, after they had been assembled?



Either of the two scenarios above would, concieveably involve the "active" participation of far fewer personnel; perhaps just one or two "agents" falsifying the neccessary inventory records.

Perhaps, all that was needed for the supposed scheme to work was the knowledge that boredom and complacency are inherent in places like Minot: that it would be (and apparently, was) easy to exploit human weakness to pull off a stunning theft.

If any theft actually occurred, that is. (The missles were recovered, afterall. Or so we were told.)


The frightening thing is, intelligence agents are taught to carefully study their intended targets, including their behaviour patterns, so that those patterns might be exploited in the furtherence of the mission.

That being the case, how many other sensitive systems and materials are being overseen by ostensibly loyal, but otherwise bored, complacent individuals who are likely to miss something that they really should have paid more attention to.


Will the next "human error" result in a mass destruction event?



Has that "error" already happened?

"Will the next "human error" result in a mass destruction event?"

*****If I may, the next event won't be an error, it will be a Mass destruction event perpetrated by the Insider US govt, and European Illuminati. People forget that the entire end game has one single objective, a world govenment by any means necessary. They have ran off of a five step program for longer than you want to know.

They use a principle called the Hegelian dialectic to foster wars, in order to further their goals planned 20-40 years ahead by the book. This is not a theory, it is the truth of what we are dealing with but few even want to see the evidence or even consider it. This is why we are in the position we are in now............the final phase, WW III is now the next step. Finally the destruction of the US as we know it, the destruction of Islam and the other superpowers to finally bring into fruition the major goal as stated by Albert Pike. However, they will not achieve this. Right now their plans are unraveling and they [the elites] are starting to panic at not making their timelines......

Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
One of these weapons weigh a lot and the off balanced load would seem to make take-off like that impossible as when the aircraft left the ground the heavy wing would immediately hit the ground causing a crash (there is a job that specifically deals with this called a load master).

Isn't the aspect of loading much more important in the fore and aft weight? If it is nose heavy it becomes to stable, and if it is tail heavy it becomes to unstable. Port and starboard are also less effected because the weapons are closer together. Also trim control is not as important for take off as ailerons. As you know you trim an aircraft in flight so you don't have to give constant input to the stick and rudder.

Once the aircraft is at the proper speed for rotation both wings are producing enough lift for the entire aircraft and the pilot would just have to give left or right aileron to keep the wings level. He would not be cutting it that close to stall speed to drop a wing like that because of port/starboard weight imbalance. It could get tricky but easily overcome.

Anyway the dead airmen seems a bit to coincidental.

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reply to post by jerico65


Well, then you would be impressed by lawn clippings, jack.

Kyo is an unknown quantity, just like you. Just like the rest of the story. Is his explanation plausible? No. Why not? Well, if I told you, then I would be divulging information about security that isn't lawful to share.

The deaths seem mighty coincidental. The theft of the nukes could not have been accidental. If you think that "well, we don't really know what happened" is a trump card, then I would remind you that the stakes and the circumstances are weighty enough to keep a jaundiced eye on this issue.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by jerico65

 

Well, then you would be impressed by lawn clippings, jack.

Kyo is an unknown quantity, just like you. Just like the rest of the story. Is his explanation plausible? No. Why not? Well, if I told you, then I would be divulging information about security that isn't lawful to share.

The deaths seem mighty coincidental. The theft of the nukes could not have been accidental. If you think that "well, we don't really know what happened" is a trump card, then I would remind you that the stakes and the circumstances are weighty enough to keep a jaundiced eye on this issue.

Well said anonymous!!

The contributions of our been there, done that brigade do no more than attempt to put a stop to the discussion that they so claim to enjoy. If I am enjoying myself, I can afford to be charming...I wonder why they cannot?

Is it possible that the nuclear warheads were mis-identified as non-nuclear ordinance prior to being mounted in the cruise missles?

Alternatively, is it possible that the nuclear armed missles were mis-identified, perhaps intentionally, after they had been assembled?

Either of the two scenarios above would, concieveably involve the "active" participation of far fewer personnel; perhaps just one or two "agents" falsifying the neccessary inventory records.

Perhaps, all that was needed for the supposed scheme to work was the knowledge that boredom and complacency are inherent in places like Minot: that it would be (and apparently, was) easy to exploit human weakness to pull off a stunning theft.

Now see THIS is something I could buy into more. It was posted in plain and sane writing. Honestly, sure it's possible. How can I deny anything isn't possible? See I have people here denying what I sa is impossible. That's it...that's the argument. My story is impossible. It is impossible that I was a nuke troop. It is impossible that I may have some real info on this case. It is impossible that I was within 100 yards of this incident and because my fellow airmen came off a bit harsh (which we all know never happens anywhere else here) it is impossible he was even closer.

I told Jerico that I can see the difficulty believing that a nuke troop would ever talk here. I can see people not believing I am one or that my partner here isn't just me on another IP or someone I just fed information to to back up my claim. See the difference is I actually look at all sides of the story...others here, including our obviously knowledgeable anonymous simply refuse to even look at the possibility that I am right. Like I said, come talk to me...let me get you a copy of my DD214 and my vMPF Duty History. These things are real and it places me in that job, at that base, in that squadron, and at that time.

But...we all know that's impossible.

Now to your genuine post...

Is it possible that the nuclear warheads were mis-identified as non-nuclear ordinance prior to being mounted in the cruise missles?

Alternatively, is it possible that the nuclear armed missles were mis-identified, perhaps intentionally, after they had been assembled?

Sure it is possible. The way we saw it happen was the 6 missiles were already hot when they were in storage. They were already assembled as are the rest. The only un-assembled weapons sit in a specific building. The warheads were supposed to be taken out...period. We didn't do that and now we suffer some dire consequences. That's my side anyway...as to whether it was intentional. I doubt it...but here's the thing, your idea has some merit to it. I am a psych major, getting ready to graduate shortly. I know all about manufacturing consent. It's a plausible theory.

Do I agree? no...not really...you should see some of the brain cases up there.

Now...with that said...we may never agree...and that's fine but I'll be damned if I won't give you a star myself for the kind and polite way I've been approached by you...rare in these parts.

And anyone else, before you lose your mind, take a look at my posts in here, I really don't think I've been anything but polite.

Well done friend

Look forward to discussing more, so in that...lemme ask you to keep the ball rolling. Who do you think might have started scanning people to ge this nasty little incident rolling if it were purposeful?

-Kyo

I was stationed at Minot, I was a security specialist, guarding everything from planes, people, to Nuclear weapons. I don't know how they do things these days (i have been out for quite a few years) but I can say there is a 0% chance of loading anything nuclear capable by accident. You would be amazed at what you have to go through just to enter the general area that nukes are stored. I will also say I found it unnerving how many broken arrows, bent spears, dull swords (all are references to varying degrees of incidents that compromise the nuclear warheads capabilities) there have been since we obtained nuclear capabilities. just Google missing warheads. We once were given a report that listed every incident and it is SCARY. Also i found this tidbit of information somewhat disturbing - if North Dakota was it's own country, it would be the third largest nuclear capable country in the world, after USA, and Russia.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well, then you would be impressed by lawn clippings, jack.

Wow, now that was funny. Are you going to be here all week? Humor like that is something I always come to ATS for.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Kyo is an unknown quantity, just like you. Just like the rest of the story. Is his explanation plausible? No. Why not? Well, if I told you, then I would be divulging information about security that isn't lawful to share.

And you? You're posting under "Anonymous ATS". How come?

And just how come every geek on ATS thinks that I'm going to spill my guts with everything classified that I know? Sorry, Gus, ain't gonna happen. I take the NdAs that I've signed seriously.

Kyo filled everyone in on nuke handling without getting into anything classifed. Sorry if you can't understand that, in these economic times, the AF cut the budget on the coloring books.

Move out and draw fire. And have a fine AFSOC day when you're doing that.

Originally posted by Pilot
Well said anonymous!!

The contributions of our been there, done that brigade do no more than attempt to put a stop to the discussion that they so claim to enjoy. If I am enjoying myself, I can afford to be charming...I wonder why they cannot?

It's funny how when someone posts info that blows a hole in your theory, it's automatically labelled as "disinformation" or something along those lines.

I loss count of the number of times I've been called a liar (or worse) by someone on ATS when I wrote something about the military that didn't fit in their scheme of things.

reply to post by jerico65


Look, just take a step back from this for a second. Un-commit yourself from any side (after all, you've been saying that we can't really know what happened, so you should be able to apply this to your position, shouldn't you?). Now take a deep breath.

The most intensive scrutiny, security measures, and protocols ever brought to bear on any issue by the United States national security establishment has been directed towards the security of our nuclear arsenal, and even of the students, professors, engineers, and facilities dedicated to nuclear physics and research. Just accept that as a fact.

To imagine that a complement of nuclear weapons could accidentally be loaded onto a plane is just absurd right on the face of it. There are so many things that would have to fail in order to allow this that it isn't even possible. And that is by design, after all. It has been this way for decades.

I don't begrudge you for not wanting to believe it. I also don't begrudge those who are paid to blow smoke all over this issue. In fact, this must be a really uncomfortable situation for them. One would hope so. Our tax dollars are going to pay the salaries of people who have been directed to lie to us "for our own good", but "for our own good" is another horrible ethical distortion, just like the "Brave Tale of Pat Tilman" and the "Heroic Rescue of Jessica Lynch" and the "Brave Passengers of Flight 93". Tilman was fragged. Lynch was shunned when she told the truth. Flight 93 was shot out of the sky. Some people inside of the military are doing what every corporation does: PR. Only, we pay this corporation.

It must really sting those on the inside to know that top brass and top civilians are just as flawed and corruptible as other humans. Not gods. Not heroes. Just men and women. Who suffer lapses in judgment. Severe lapses in judgment. Even if they believe the "accident" cover story, then they still have to cope with a hopelessly inept military. But, frankly, if you can convince yourself that the nuke theft from Minot AFB was an accident, you're probably ready to believe anything "authority" tells you.

You guys go ahead and do your job. You're going to succeed in at least sowing enough doubt among people of less critical rigor and of greater tendency towards denial. That's fine. The rest of us know better. And we are watching.

reply to post by jerico65


That was me. I've been performing some routine maintenance, and my email app was temporarily out of action. It held my ATS password.

I posted this a little while ago, also as an anonymous user, but it hasn't shown up, yet. So here it is again:

reply to post by jerico65


Look, just take a step back from this for a second. Un-commit yourself from any side (after all, you've been saying that we can't really know what happened, so you should be able to apply this to your position, shouldn't you?). Now take a deep breath.

The most intensive scrutiny, security measures, and protocols ever brought to bear on any issue by the United States national security establishment has been directed towards the security of our nuclear arsenal, and even of the students, professors, engineers, and facilities dedicated to nuclear physics and research. Just accept that as a fact.

To imagine that a complement of nuclear weapons could accidentally be loaded onto a plane is just absurd right on the face of it. There are so many things that would have to fail in order to allow this that it isn't even possible. And that is by design, after all. It has been this way for decades.

I don't begrudge you for not wanting to believe it. I also don't begrudge those who are paid to blow smoke all over this issue. In fact, this must be a really uncomfortable situation for them. One would hope so. Our tax dollars are going to pay the salaries of people who have been directed to lie to us "for our own good", but "for our own good" is another horrible ethical distortion, just like the "Brave Tale of Pat Tilman" and the "Heroic Rescue of Jessica Lynch" and the "Brave Passengers of Flight 93". Tilman was fragged. Lynch was shunned when she told the truth. Flight 93 was shot out of the sky. Some people inside of the military are doing what every corporation does: PR. Only, we pay this corporation.

It must really sting those on the inside to know that top brass and top civilians are just as flawed and corruptible as other humans. Not gods. Not heroes. Just men and women. Who suffer lapses in judgment. Severe lapses in judgment. Even if they believe the "accident" cover story, then they still have to cope with a hopelessly inept military. But, frankly, if you can convince yourself that the nuke theft from Minot AFB was an accident, you're probably ready to believe anything "authority" tells you.

You guys go ahead and do your job. You're going to succeed in at least sowing enough doubt among people of less critical rigor and of greater tendency towards denial. That's fine. The rest of us know better. And we are watching.


---- By the way, what does that last acronym stand for?


---- Also, I just noticed your signature:
Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by men better than they.

Better? Have you ever read about the "right wing authoritarian personality type"? It isn't necessarily limited to people on the right wing of politics. It's more of a measure of insecurities so deeply rooted in the psyche, that the personality clings to rigid hierarchical structures and is desperate to understand its "rank" in the "order". It will do what ever it is told to do by a perceived authority, for its own sense of morality and worth is entirely undeveloped; it seeks approval from its peers and superiors, and this is its moral compass.

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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Pilot
Well said anonymous!!

The contributions of our been there, done that brigade do no more than attempt to put a stop to the discussion that they so claim to enjoy. If I am enjoying myself, I can afford to be charming...I wonder why they cannot?

It's funny how when someone posts info that blows a hole in your theory, it's automatically labelled as "disinformation" or something along those lines.

I loss count of the number of times I've been called a liar (or worse) by someone on ATS when I wrote something about the military that didn't fit in their scheme of things.

Not liar, not dis-info agent, never wrote those words, as you can plainly see.

When anyone resorts to name-calling, it indicates desperation. It is not necessary within rational discourse to become abusive-if your argument is sound. That was my point. This has been a lively and thought provoking discussion. I welcome all points of view, the accident proponents have been an asset to the thread as well. I would say if they were intent upon stopping the discussion, they have failed, their opposition has kept the subject interesting and lively. I only object to name-calling and discourtesy.

Never once looked to stop anything.

Like I said...after all is said and done, some will believe me and some won't and that is just is fine. Such is life

-Kyo

reply to post by KyoZero


Hi Kyo,

I read your posts with great interest. You have not addressed "step one". How did the hot warheads make it into the wrong cruise missiles?

reply to post by tgambill


Hey tgambill, I am always impressed with your knowledge of facts and are able to support them with links.

You bring great discussions of truth to the forum.

Bringing the truth out, is what matters, even if others object loudly and try to hijack the thread.

The only reason that happens, is when people are nervous, otherwise, they would not seem so insistent and insulting to others.

Keep it going with the truths...................

What is that saying??

"The truth will set you free!"

reply to post by questioningall


I don't mean to go off-topic, but there have been so many allusions to politeness and manners in this one thread that my acid reflux is starting to act up.

One wonders whether it would be okay to lie, cheat, steal, and kill if only we do it in a polite and courteous manner. I've read really interesting stories about the failure of scientists in specific disciplines, for example, to pay attention to another scientist's work - to the detriment of their entire discipline! - just because they didn't like the guy's presentation or manner. Yeah, sure, be a good Rogerian if you must, but don't try to oppress the free flow of ideas with some pedantic and provincial school marmery.