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Within 7 days - 6 died at Minot Air Force Base 07 - Commander now dead

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posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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Well basically as I said before the missiles were already hot. They already had the warheads in them. The warheads were supposed to be taken out but never were. The hot missiles to be decommissioned should be taken to a building and the warheads removed. They were taken but not removed because an error caused the team to believe they were already cold without nuclear payloads inside. That is when the complacency set in

-Kyo




posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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You know one of the pieces of the article from global research listed about 6 or so individuals transferred to Minot in key positions within the year of the incident, it would be prudent to research these individuals to see if there is any indicators that suggest they might have been transferred for the purpose of carrying out the "plan".


Timely Appointments at U.S.A.F. Base Minot

Several of the commanding officers at Minot were freshly appointed in June, 2007. This may have been part of standard procedures, but the timing should not be ignored.

Colonel Robert D. Critchlow was transferred, just before the incident, from the Pentagon to Minot and appointed commanding officer for the 91st Operations Group, a missileer unit and the operational backbone of the 91st Space Wing. In Washington, D.C. he was involved in research for the Congressional Research Services and later posted into Air Force Nuclear Response and Homeland Defence.

Colonel Myron L. Freeman was transferred from Japan to Minot in June, 2007. Colonel Freeman was appointed as the commander of the 91st Security Forces Group, which is responsible for securing Minot's nuclear arsenal.

Colonel Gregory S. Tims was also appointed as deputy commander or vice-commander of the 91st Space Wing in June, 2007. However, Colonel Tims was transfered to Minot from California almost a year before.

One of the most senior non-commissioned officers (NCOs) or non-commissioned members (NCMs), Chief Master Sergeant Mark R. Clark, was also transferred to U.S.A.F. Base Minot from Nebraska in July, 2007.

Colonel Roosevelt Allen was also transferred to Minot from Washington, D.C. to become commander of the 5th Medical Group.

Colonel Bruce Emig, the now-former commander of the 5th Bomb Wing, was also transferred to Minot from U.S.A.F. Base Ellsworth in South Dakota in June, 2007. Colonel Emig was also the base commander of Minot.

Colonel Cynthia M. Lundell, the now-former group commander for the 5th Maintenance Group, the unit responsible for loading and unloading weaponry onto the B-52H Stratofortresses was also freshly transferred from a NATO post in Western Europe in June, 2007. Were these appointments temporary? Were any of these appointments related to the six "lost" nuclear missiles?



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Good point. My hunch - and that's all it is - is that you might find that all of these people were sympathetic to the unholy Evangelical Christian/Zionist movement, and/or were simply bootlickers of the first order. You know. The kind of man who is authoritarian in his public dealings but likes to have ash trays dumped on him and his privates stepped on behind closed doors.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by applebiter
The most intensive scrutiny, security measures, and protocols ever brought to bear on any issue by the United States national security establishment has been directed towards the security of our nuclear arsenal, and even of the students, professors, engineers, and facilities dedicated to nuclear physics and research. Just accept that as a fact.

To imagine that a complement of nuclear weapons could accidentally be loaded onto a plane is just absurd right on the face of it. There are so many things that would have to fail in order to allow this that it isn't even possible. And that is by design, after all. It has been this way for decades.


At one time, when SAC was SAC, I'd believe that. No way in hell a mistake could be made along those lines. LeMay would have shot the individuals himself.

Now, tho, I think a lot of the problem is complacency. "No one is going to try to steal these." "We'll never use these."

Don't think it could happen? Ask the KC135 pilot that managed to land his aircraft and forgot to lower the landing gear.


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Originally posted by applebiter
t must really sting those on the inside to know that top brass and top civilians are just as flawed and corruptible as other humans. Not gods. Not heroes. Just men and women.


Damn, I've known that all my life. Are you just catching on to that?


Originally posted by applebiter
You're going to succeed in at least sowing enough doubt among people of less critical rigor and of greater tendency towards denial. That's fine. The rest of us know better. And we are watching.


Watch away. People are looking for some sort of conspiracy when there isn't any, or altering the info to fit their ideas.



Originally posted by applebiter
---- By the way, what does that last acronym stand for?


Look it up.



Originally posted by applebiter
---- Also, I just noticed your signature:
Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by men better than they.

Better? Have you ever read about the "right wing authoritarian personality type"? It isn't necessarily limited to people on the right wing of politics. It's more of a measure of insecurities so deeply rooted in the psyche, that the personality clings to rigid hierarchical structures and is desperate to understand its "rank" in the "order". It will do what ever it is told to do by a perceived authority, for its own sense of morality and worth is entirely undeveloped; it seeks approval from its peers and superiors, and this is its moral compass.


Amateur shrink now, are you Freud? Under my screen name, it says, "Porn Star", too. How does that fit in your "right wing authoritarian personality type"?

And I agree. Better men protect peoples patriotic dissent.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by Nichiren
 


Well basically as I said before the missiles were already hot. They already had the warheads in them. The warheads were supposed to be taken out but never were. The hot missiles to be decommissioned should be taken to a building and the warheads removed. They were taken but not removed because an error caused the team to believe they were already cold without nuclear payloads inside. That is when the complacency set in

-Kyo


Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. You are saying that the crew responsible for the hot warheads basically "abandoned" them? Who didn't take out the hot warheads? One person, two or three? I thought with hot nukes there is always the military police involved as well?



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero
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Well basically as I said before the missiles were already hot. They already had the warheads in them. The warheads were supposed to be taken out but never were. The hot missiles to be decommissioned should be taken to a building and the warheads removed. They were taken but not removed because an error caused the team to believe they were already cold without nuclear payloads inside. That is when the complacency set in

-Kyo




Kyo;

Once the missles have been decommissioned, that is, once the nuclear warhead has been removed from a missle, there is some sort of documentation generated to record the fact that a particular missle is No Longer equipped with a nuclear warhead?

Perhaps there is even documentation generated to indicate what, if any type of warhead a particular missle is armed with? (Forgive the prepositional ending!)



Now, perhaps you might know, and if it does not breach your National Security vows, could you tell me/us:


When a nuclear warhead is mated to, or dis-mounted from, a missle, is that missle already mounted on the pylon which will be attached, eventually, to a plane?


It seems to me (just a civilian who has never worked with anything more powerful than an L-class solid rocket motor), to improve accessability and reduce the risk of an accidental HE detonation, that the warhead, especially if it were a nuclear warhead, would be removed (or mounted) Before the missle was mounted on a pylon.


If this were the case, then we have a situation where, perhaps, six nuclear-armed cruise missles were either never dis-mounted from the pylon to which they were previously mounted (would nuclear-armed missles even BE pre-mounted to a pylon, in peace-time? without specific, traceable orders?), or;


Six separate cruise missles, All of which were supposedly "cold" (un-armed and certainly not carrying nuclear warheads!), six out of however many tens of cruise missles stored on base, six nuclear-armed cruise missles were all then mounted to the same pylon and taken out to the plane.


I assume it would highly irregular to mount both nuclear and conventionally armed cruise missles on the same pylon?

I also assume that a pylon-full of nuclear-tipped cruisers would be stored, perhaps for decommissioning, in a location separate from conventionally armed missles?


I don't want to belabor the point any more than I have already, but I think you can get the gist of what I'm pointing out here.

What happened at Minot, to be shrugged off as merely a matter of human error resulting from complacency would require a level of complacency so profound, and at so many "checkpoints", as to be likened to a coma.



Call me paranoid (although where the security of WMD's are concerned, a little paranioa is a good thing!), but I seriously doubt that, unless the entire base was drugged almost to senselessness, such a profound degree of complacency could exist at so many levels, concentrated at one AFB, charged with not only nucllear cruise missles, but ICBM's as well.

That'd be like hanging a jar of nitroglycerine around your neck and going for a ride on a paint mixer!



I don't think complacency can adequately explain what happened at Minot, at least not in and of itself.

I have a bad feeling that what happened at Minot was in fact complacency, exploited by willful mis-direction; the airmen at Minot were accustomed to accepting the documentation they recieved without question. some one, for some purpose, recognized this fact and exploited it to pull a switch.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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I agree, there is no way, a break down happened at each point in the movement of the warheads.

It was a "planned" movement, which I would bet, they never thought would get out to the public. But someone on the base, obviously did not like what they saw and notified the media.

Is that person is still alive? Who knows, but I would think not, considering how many people have died, associated with the base and that general time frame.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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I apologize for the wait...if you believe one thing believe this...

my wife and I have food poisoning...hence my delay in posting...thanks for your patience

Nichiren:



Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. You are saying that the crew responsible for the hot warheads basically "abandoned" them? Who didn't take out the hot warheads? One person, two or three? I thought with hot nukes there is always the military police involved as well?


There is one set of people who will take the heads out. The rest is another set of people who should have verified they are gone. Lie I have said several times, the military police presence is strong, but when we tell the cops they are cold they believe us and move on.

Bhadhidar:

Thanks for the questions

Yes there is documentation that travels with the missiles be them hot or cold.

You can dismount the warhead from an ACM on a special stand. You remove them from the pylon, place them on the stand then remove the warheads. You then reattach them to the pylon and load to the tow vehicle then the B-52.

Oh my yes. I cannot tell you the quantity of missiles which are hot and already on pylons as it is a breech of security. At the same time, I haven't been there in over a year so I have no clue. We always keep them ready in peace time. Think of it like this, if a country rolled and prepared to attack us with nuclear weapons, would you want our pylons to be unprepared and take a couple hours to load before launching on the plane?

Yes six missiles were all on the same pylon but your quantity is way off. This is six out of a hell of alot more. You cannot put conventional weapons and nuclear on a pylon together. At the same time you cannot put cold and hot weapons together.

All conventional weapons are not stored in the same area as nukes. In fact on Minot, the conventional bombs are near a mile away.

Now let me correct another issue of mine. I am by no means shrugging this off. It was complacency but I think it is an intensely serious issue, far worse than any other I've seen. As I have said and others have quoted, it's an unbelievable base. If you don't ice fish or hunt, which many don't, it is boring. The regulations you face every day are so strict and the hours we sometimes work can all build up and cause some heavy issues on a person's mind.

Questioningall:

Ok I would like to start with a question of mine.

How is it impossible? Are you telling me that my scenario is completely, 100% and absolutely impossible? There is absolutely no chance human error or complacency can take place in this career field?

How many other incidents have taken place involving WMD's? Do you believe those as well? The gent who lost a socket down a silo and blew up the entire missile killing many? When the pylon of nuclear bombs was ditched into the ocean off of Spain? There are a ton of different weapons incidents. What about all those? If those are possible then why isn't this?

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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by KyoZero

Yes six missiles were all on the same pylon but your quantity is way off. This is six out of a hell of alot more. You cannot put conventional weapons and nuclear on a pylon together. At the same time you cannot put cold and hot weapons together.

All conventional weapons are not stored in the same area as nukes. In fact on Minot, the conventional bombs are near a mile away.



AAHHH, gotcha!!!!

REALLY - a mile away - conventional bombs??? WOW - so a "mistake" was made by getting nukes, mistaking them for conventional......??

With what you just wrote then..........that would be IMPOSSIBLE! A mistake COULD NOT have been made, due to your one statement!!!

If they are kept so FAR apart, someone and 14 others could not have made that itsy bitsy mistake...

OOOPPPS, been caught now!!!

No mistake with the warheads, since the bombs are 1 mile apart... someone didn't go to the wrong storage facility by mistake!

Love it, when people make mistakes in postings.... and they get caught.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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Wow...you really think you have me in some imaginary mistake.

Look back

never once did I say mixed with conventional weapons. What I said was these missiles were supposed to be COLD and instead they mistakenly let them load to the plane HOT.

Sorry my friend by the oversight was yours. In fact this is the first time I mentioned conventional weapons. A cold weapon is not a conventional weapon, it is a nuclear body minus the physics package.

Nice try though

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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Nope, not imaginary at all, no mistake could have been made.... and then all the deaths on top of that...

sorry, nice try on your end.... but your reasonings do not make sense, only falling over your feet with mistakes.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 10:56 PM
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Sorry about the food poisining. Hope you and your wife are feeling better.
Last time I thought I had a case of food poisoning, it turned out to be a massive heart attack...oops!

To this this day, I still look at a burritto with more than a bit of trepidation!



Now I'm begining to understand a bit better the scenario you are putting forth.


A pylon, "hot" (armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missles) was in the storage area reserved for nuclear weapons. It was slated to be de-comissioned (to have the nuclear warheads removed) and made "cold".

The technical team designated to dis-mount the missles from the pylon and then dismount the warheads from the missles, would have logged their activities into the record. That documentation would have then followed the re-mounted "cold" missles for inventory.

But, it seems, contrary to accepted procedure, the team working this pylon's worth of nukes took a bit of a "short-cut"; they did the paperwork verifying that the missles had been rendered "cold' before they actually dis-mounted the missles from the pylon.


Then for some reason, they never actually got around to dismounting the missles, removing the nuclear warheads, and re-mounting the missles.


And they never told anybody about the SNAFU. Nor did they ever attempt to rectify their oversight. And security said nothing when everyone walked away without dismounting a thing. Would the security guards even recognize that something was amiss?


Instead, the documentation stating that these particular missles on this particular pylon had been rendered "cold", that the "physics" package in all six missles had been removed as ordered, was sent forward to where it needed to go.


I suppose it was this documentation, or documentation drawn from this documentation, that lead the loading team to believe that the pylon they were to mount on the plane was in fact cold. Although they should have visually checked to verify if that were the case.


Is that closer to what you believe happened?



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 02:18 AM
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Questiongale, there is no debate that the Bush admin had in mind to start the war keeping Bush as president and declaring martial law. The Illuminati, European Order is light years ahead of our Illuminati order and have their own agenda. The Bush admin and Zionist were thwarted and Brzezinski got things back on track with his boy Obama. Obama will do as he has been trained and is told to do......Nothing more.

Very reliable sources confirm that there is a force of about 350,000 Mexicans and maybe Russians mixed [don't know about the Russian mix], in Mexico trained to specifically enter the U.S. when the sparks fly. UN and Russian sleepers in the US will come out of nowhere, numbering 1,000,000 + and their vehicles are staged in Texas. The CIA are mostly working with MS-13 gangs in over 3,500 cities to start a crime wave in order that Americans will want martial law. 3rd Army division with 10,000 men, and another 10,000 in reserve will be activated to deal with the food riots and violence already planned. Chemtrails will disperse severe biologicals in specific areas.

I don't know for sure the timetable but "INDICATORS" say that in March, something may happen first in the East Coast, then the Midwest and lastly in the West coast. Not for sure but sources do mention this.........

The House will quickly pass the H.R. 645 to allow "dissidents" to be incarcerated [red and blue listed] to their nearest facility. The train cars are staged in major population areas to pick up the prisoners.

They will use felons for security forces per preplanned operations. Felons make loyal security forces for them because there will be on jobs, dollar crashed and they will be granted immunity. Google Calif. releasing 40% of their populations for "overcrowding", not! They [prisoners[ have been indoctrinated to the New Age Movement by a program called "Christian Idenity". Its a counterfeit, dangerous form of Christianity. Nazism used felons in the "Dirty Dozen" role. They are ruthless, loyal for personal reasons and will respond to mind control after being subjected to programs in prison.

This is only the start. Gold will be confiscated in accordance with the Gold Confiscation Act of 1933 planned by the TRAITOR!! FDR. It makes me angry how the Rockefeller Foundation, filled with cowards and Luciferian planners have subverted our educational system with, literally fabricated history and BS. FDR had been another pawn and willing pawn for a planned coup in 1933. Plan A in the 1930's was to either join with Hitler or continue the war, until he took off on his own. Wall Street [Prescott Bush, DuPont family Rockefellers, Henry Ford, IBM], FULLY FUNDED Hitler by the way. As a matter of fact the same famlies funded Lenin, and Wall Street funded the Bolsheviks.

The Illuminati then continued the war as planned long ago. Hitler was in fact was a skeleton in the Rothschilds family tree. The Amero, will be the new currency for awhile as it will be backed by Silver, and considered hard currency. Our dollar will be like confederate dollars. This will be a temporary fix to lead to the verichip, finally and a cashless society.

The big plan......to destroy the Catholic and christian church and by disclosing breaking news about the new messiah will bring in the counterfeit Christianity or New Age Religion. The New Age leader will at first be a "Prince of Peace" but will lie and turn everything upside down. The Black Pope is working this out very well. Google the Black Nobility and see their roots.

This is scratching the surface of what is yet to come. For the North American Union to become a reality they will break Mexico, and then to the US and Canada. The South American Union, African Union, Asian Union as the Aussie PM called for last year, along with his own Obama Youth core.....its must be a disease going around....
) The fires in Melbourne areas are part of the property claim that the government will use to take property in much the exact same way Katrina and Rita was used to Pirate the land in TX and La., to practice and set a precidence in establishing martial law......The Good cops or ones that Blackwater has identified in the departments that they have trained will be disarmed.

The stimulus is a joke. Hillary gets her ill conceived national health care program in after all. The old folks...well, they will suffer. The Christian broadcasters are going to be targeted and health care will be a joke. Obama wants a "Civilian Security force", some off the wall program and many other undesireable programs. WHY? Like Alex Jones, Michael Moore, Naomi Wolf [Being a Rhodes Scholar is a clue] works for the other side as part of a Fifth column strategy. They are masters of using Hegelian Dialectic. Thanks be to Karl Marx and Engels. Today the Hegelian dialectic is the actual framework that has guided our thoughts and actions into creating conflicts that leads to a predetermined solution.

Pay particular attention to number 5 below as the Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Michael Moore, and Naomi Wolf [Rhodes Scholar which was a program designed to specifically train the receptients to sell the World Order. HOW? Check out Nr 5 as I said.

Evidence was given before the Royal Commission in the early 1920s during an investigation into customs of Canada revealed the following FACTS. William Carr in his book "Red Fog Over America", 1955.

The evidence that went before this Canadian Commission proves that those that directed the conspiracy achieved the following objectives, as far as furthering their Long Range Plans to ultimately destroy Canada and the United States as nations. This coincides with the present development of the North American Union and the NAFTA treaty and highway. They have 98% of the Americans fooled due to the control of the media and many Americans in self denial of this absolute fact.

The following evidence was realized by those who were aware of this grand conspiracy:

1. They seriously affected the national economics by robbing the National treasury departments of hundreds of millions of dollars.

2. They corrupted government officials to the highest levels and thus obtained control of the two main parties.

3. They established a new society in which the wealthiest members had made their money by illegal methods and were thus forever beholden to those who had made their successful operations possible. The majority of the newly rich can’t help but carry out the “request” of those who made them rich because those who made them millionaires almost overnight, can reduce them to poverty just as quickly if they so much as even hesitate to do their bidding.

4. They obtained such a control of high level government officials that they had to adopt a policy regarding international security which permits the Communist Party in both Canada and the United States to perfect their revolutionary plans and await the day when the international conspirators give the order to revolt.

5. Finally, they saw to it that just enough evidence appeared in the public “free press” to disgust the public. It gave the public the feeling that our governments have been proven so rotten and that any CHANGE must be for the best. But the news reports did not disclose any connection between the international capitalist, who organized the gigantic conspiracy, and the subversives in the underworld who put their plans in effect.

sound familiar since 1940's....CHANGE to a UN World Goverment via the North American Union.

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Lets be fair....

Jesus Camp Extract Praise Bush [crazy MKULTRA program and by his own words expressing his faith, he is no more a born again Christian than Mickey mouse. Never has been one......he is a New Age, Universalist

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This is sick and brainwashing at its best..........the first minute.

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Note: Guess who formed the Mafia and thus orchestrated organized crime coming from Europe. The Illuminati, specifically Mazzini and four others that make up the name M. AFIA.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Thanks for the concern. I feel only a thousand times better right now...oy

That's the thing...the documentation from the start is what really caused alot of this. And once again, if you still don't believe this side of it that is fine. That's how life goes on. I am pretty much done talking to another person here because of some imaginary mistakes about conventional weapons that I never made. Let me say again, a cold weapon. Pilot, if you really wish, go sift through and point out any posts I flubbed up. I already pointed out the two mistakes I made and explained both out in the open. Never did I claim these were conventional weapons. Short of that, I am not sure you and I have anything else to discuss.

You've been a delight to talk to on the other hand. So I want to ask this. It sounds from your one post like you think the complacency took place like I explained but it was certainly helped along. I don't see that as unreasonable. Although I may not agree there is a logical part of me that says, while my side may be true, it may be something else that caused this effect to begin.

So I would like to ask what you think are possibilities that started it and I guarantee here and now that I will treat it with every bit of respect you've shown me. I am actually genuinely interested.

Fire away

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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Interesting, under the thread:www.abovetopsecret.com...

which shows the "blackjack" that is on a website:www.telegraph.co.uk...


this picture and info is part of it:




posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by KyoZero

There is one set of people who will take the heads out. The rest is another set of people who should have verified they are gone.


First of all: get well!

Wow, too many folks asleep at the wheel. I don't buy that for one second.

The first publication that leaked the story was the Military Times that got a tip from the inside. That is highly unusual!

[edit on 11-2-2009 by Nichiren]



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by KyoZero
I apologize for the wait...if you believe one thing believe this...

my wife and I have food poisoning...hence my delay in posting...thanks for your patience


Oh, no! The NWO is trying to get to you, too!!

Hope you and the wife are feeling better!

Quesioningall: Just where is Kyo "stumbling over his mistakes" again?



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by KyoZero

There is one set of people who will take the heads out. The rest is another set of people who should have verified they are gone.


First of all: get well!

Wow, too many folks asleep at the wheel. I don't buy that for one second.

The first publication that leaked the story was the Military Times that got a tip from the inside. That is highly unusual!

[edit on 11-2-2009 by Nichiren]


Hey Nich...we're all here to present sides. I've done mine and some followed some haven't. I promise I'll never think less of you or more of me. We're all humans here. Like I said, it could be a bit of both. I will still be around for more talk but thank you for being civil.

I am still looking forward to some other ideas.

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero

You've been a delight to talk to on the other hand. So I want to ask this. It sounds from your one post like you think the complacency took place like I explained but it was certainly helped along. I don't see that as unreasonable. Although I may not agree there is a logical part of me that says, while my side may be true, it may be something else that caused this effect to begin.

So I would like to ask what you think are possibilities that started it and I guarantee here and now that I will treat it with every bit of respect you've shown me. I am actually genuinely interested.

Fire away

-Kyo



Back at you!


First off, I've never been in the military, so I cannot speak with any authority regarding "How Things Are (or are not) Done" in the military.

I have seen how things are done (and undone) in the Government. How, very often, what appears to have been said is often something quite different from what is meant.

With that experience in mind, I'm somewhat hesitant to paint the Minot crews with the damning brush of complacency; at least not too thickly.


I beleive, and I thank you for providing the authentic information which helped me reach my conclusion, that the Minot crews did Exactly what they were Ordered to do every step of the way, but...

the heartbreak is that they did no more than they were ordered to do, it either never occurred to any of them to verify the logic and/or legitimacy of the orders they had been given, nor did any of them take any action (that we know of for certain) to refuse what may have been a "bad" or unlawful order.


Perhaps those airmen simply weren't taught the sublties of nuclear treaties and how they pertain to the actions they were prohibitted from engaging in, even under orders?



At any rate, I think the team that was supposed to de-commission that pylon full of hot missles recieved an order to record the missles as "cold", but to take no further action.



Whether that order was legitimate or not, I cannot say. I can postulate scenarios in which the order was legitimate and forged to look legitimate.

Those weapons may have been intended for later covert ops, although perhaps for nothing as sinister as some imaginations might foster. I'm thinking components to be used in "sting" operations to thwart smuggling of nuclear materials, perhaps. Or, for "back-channel" supply to allies with a "need to know", but under a "need to keep secret that they know".

In such a scenario, it would be vital that the "Official" inventory show all nukes present and accounted for; even if some weren't.


On the other, far more sisister and disturbing, hand, the orders to leave the warheads in place but record them as removed may have been expertly forged. As I recall, there have been on-going breaches of Pentagon computer security for years now.

Many of these "hack attacks" have been traced back to China. Could the Chinese have somehow managed to generate "false orders" as a prelude to "Grand Theft, Nuclear"? It's far cheaper to steal and reverse engineer your oppenents latest and greatest technology than it is to develop it yourself.


Either way, I think the order was issued, and the crews followed their orders, to the letter. It's just a pity that either strict training, or complacency prevented anyone from looking beyond the orders and questioning the truth.



And, cleverly, you'll see that either one of these interpetations Could dovetail quite neatly into a conspiracy theory that would result in a string of "suspicious" deaths", if the reader is so inclined.



posted on Feb, 13 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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No conspiracy theory, It is a conspiracy fact. The CONCENTRATION Camps are now being authorized for use., H.R. 645 google it. Secondly, confirmed, 350,000 well trained Troops in Mexico put together especially to come into the US along the entire border of texas, AZ and calif. Chicago is next on the list for a major event, involving martial law and some kind of of destruction. CIA orchestrated crime waves will convince Americans in over 3,500 cities that Martial law and joining with the world federation is a good idea.



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