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Within 7 days - 6 died at Minot Air Force Base 07 - Commander now dead

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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Ok I will take a slam on this one. Let me explain something I completely forgot.

These six nukes were one move and one move only. I will tr to stay as non-technical as I can with this.

Take a look at this picture and I will detail how the move occurs with nukes which are hot.

Pylon, PLA, and MHU 196

The missile sit in a hardened shelter. And order comes to go to nuclear war. A two-perosn team of 2W2's and occasionally properly trained 2W0's (ammo troops) grabs a vehicle called and Entwhistle or another tow vehicle. These are the vehicles with air and physical hookups to move the weapons. These weapons are sitting on a trailer called an MHU-196 trailer. This is a trailer which is capable ov moving forward and backward via the trailer hookup. The thing is, the missiles cannot just sit on the trailer by itself.

The missiles are attached to a pylon. The pylon is what you see attached to the wing of the B-52. Sprouting from each side and underneath are the missiles. Then underneath you see the MHU-196 trailer working in remote mode. (will explain shortly). Now you see three airmen standing on a little catwalk and attaching the pylon. That cat walk actually is a 40,000 pound piece of metal that attaches to the pylon to carry it via the MHU-196 trailer. The catwalks enable the airmen to walk around and work on the inaccessible areas of the pylon. That metal is called the PLA or pylon loader adapter.

So now that you understand the hookup, let's return to the actions that take place. The tow team go to the storage structure and pull the pylons, which is already sitting on the PLA. They take it took a building. Inside that building a few people who are 2W2's (nuke troops) certify that is is fully armed and nuclear by looking through a small port for a specific word. Once satisfied some signing off takes place. The tow team takes over again brings it, with heavy security, to the flight line and turn it over to the loaders (2W1's). The loaders take it from the tow team and sign off for reception. The tow team now takes control of the MHU-196 trailer with a head sized remote. This can make the trailer move forward, backward, left right, raised and lower it, and even turn the wheels sideways to move it sideways. The trailer is used to raise it to the wing and the loaders attach it. They also verify that the missiles are hot. The pilots then take over, and well...we know what happens then.

Now I wrote this in extreme detail for a few reasons.

1. People can understand how the moves work

2. To show one very important thing; this was not 6 separate incidents, this was only one move at one time with one team of 2W2's, 2W1's and pilots. Thiese missiles were all attached to one pylon and one wing and one plane. To lose only one missile means to launch or jettison one, in which case it wold have fallen and crashed to complete destruction. Or they could have possibly jettisoned the entire pylon, which also would have destroyed them all.

3. To explain the difference and what happened. The only real difference is the security between moving these hot weapons and cold weapons. If the missiles are deemed cold, no extra security takes place. The two team goes it alone.

So as I was explaining, this isn't six impossible incidents, this is one incident. I did explain how it happened a few times. Complacency took over and people failed to properly check the weapon's view port. This can be rough even in the best situations because the angle at which you have to look can be rough. Add the human element, a depressing base, complacent and tired individuals, and there you have it, serious incident.

-Kyo




posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Now let's talk about the poor airmen who passed on.

The Commander, Captain Bayless works with the 91st Ops Support Squadron. That squadron supports only the ICBM's. Those missiles were not involved in the incident and neither was he.

Airman First Class Todd Blue worked in Security Forces. He was not involved. As I explained a couple pages ago, the cops afford us the protection we tell them we need. If we tell them we have hot weapons, they come out in force (no pun intended) but we told them we were rolling cold, thus no special protection.

Still looking for the rest and will respond and such shortly.

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Thanks for that Kyo - I was about to post a full blown explanation of the process myself. I will however ad some other info.

The very first post here mentions 7 people dying, all supposedly tied to the incident. First of all, I'd like to point out that two of the 6 articles hyperlinked are about the same guy, Airman First Class Todd Blue, so there's only 6 total people who died. But if you actually look at the date A1C Blue, a 5th Security Forces airman, arrived at Minot - August 2007 (when the incident happened) - those of us in the know of how things work up there, know that if you arrive on station as a brand new security forces member you aren't simply handed a gun and told to go guard the weapons storage area. Most of the people that have anything to do with the nuke program (maintainers, security forces, weapons loaders) don't even go through the process to be qualified under the Personnel Reliability Program for at least a month; typically the security clearance isn't even done yet; and not to mention all of the upgrade training and qualifications required to do any of your job without any supervision, which also wouldn't have been even close to being finished MONTHS after the incident happened. A1C Blue had no tie to this incident. Period.

1st Lieutenant Weston Kissel, B-52 pilot, dies in a motorcycle crash while on leave in Tennessee. THIS STORY WAS FROM EARLY JULY 2007! A MONTH BEFORE THE INCIDENT EVEN HAPPENED! So what, I guess he found out about the plan by the 33rd degree scottish rite members? And so he took leave and was taken out by the Bilderbergers henchmen? Please.

Captain John Frueh, Combat Weatherman (judging by the grey beret) whose body was found in Washington. We don't even have combat weather assigned to anything other than special operations bases. And they have NOTHING to do with nukes! Weather guys solely support the missions IN COMBAT ZONES by providing uh, what is it, oh yeah WEATHER INFO! NOT political coupe advice!

Airman First Class Adam Barrs, who died as a passenger in a car accident, driven by fellow airman, Stephen Garrett. Adam Barrs worked on communications and navigation systems on the B-52. He died July 3rd, that's right a month BEFORE the August incident, NOT 7 days after, unlike the idiot who started this thread says.

As for the Missile Combat Crew Commander, last name Bayless - just as Kyo pointed out, he was with the 91st Operations Support Squadron. The 91st and the 5th Bomb Wing are two entirely different entities. The 91st runs the ICBM show, while the 5th run the bombers. Not to mention that him working as a trainer even further distances himself from any actual nukes, since NO training is authorized on real nukes.

Do any of you guys actually research anything yourselves? Or merely depend on the stupidity of others to guide your own?



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:50 AM
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Thanks for that clairification! What a story!



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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nice job of trying to debunk. Most people will believe it. However, you must care a lot about truth to have this much info and this much passion to "debunk" the story. No, it was murder by nihilist, and if the Illuminati agenda was not the basis for our entire history, responsible for every single attempt or actual assassination our presidents your explanation might be considerable. If it weren't for the over 3,000 concentration camps now made public by H.R. 645, and the FEMA plan for the continuity of government and the Objective to bomb Iran to get WWIII on the way to the world government I might even believe you. Not today.

www.dailynewscaster.com...



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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You are correct, "I was there" is probably a govenment shill or disinformation agenteur. Both him and KYO......certainly IWT



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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ok, i didnt read all 14 pages but i wanted to point out some things because based on the first page of responses most didnt read the links..

lets check it out shall we..

first off there are six links. 2 are for the same person and 2 died before the "nuke incident" on aug 30 2007



Jul 5 2007 6:42AM
Associated Press
Minot, N.D. (AP) Authorities have identified a Minot Air Force Base man killed in a crash on the outskirts of Minot.]



Jul 20, 2007 - 04:04:10 CDT
MINOT (AP) - A Minot Air Force Base bomber pilot was killed in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee, the base says


the other 2 people killed after the flight on aug 30 were John Frueh and Todd Blue
however, in the article on sept 10 about John Frueh it says:

Frueh, 33, came to Portland late last month to attend a friend's wedding. He last spoke with family on Aug. 30


it says he came late the month before sept wich is august, but he last spoke with family on the day of the nuke incident( aug 30) which says to me he was on leave before the flight and was already home with family.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Tgambill: Once again - refuse to do your own factfinding and simply write off anyone who disagrees with you as, what am I supposedly? A disinformation agent? You're quite possibly the most clever individual here. You discovered me so quickly! Let me go run to my CIA supervisor and let him know the cat is out of the bag! Somehow this guy figured us out!

All I've said from the beginning, is DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! You cite your evidence of this global conspiracy to be a youtube video montage of other conspiracy theorists and video clips of reporters talking to economists, authors, some politicians, about what? Having a better system in place for the trade of goods between neighboring countries? Making one currency instead of 3? Scary stuff, those ideas are! Put down the Dan Brown novel you've dubbed non-fiction, step away from the Albert Pike rantings, and go join in on the kool-aid.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by I was There]

[edit on 8-2-2009 by I was There]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Exopolitico
Does "Jericho" sound familiar? If any of you watched the series Jericho, you may see some parallels here.


DON'T FORGET JERICHO WAS CANCELED EVEN THOUGH IT HAD RATINGS THROUGH THE ROOF - someone canceled Jericho cuz it was too close to the truth.

i mean it literally had a following like no other TV show at that time, yet it was canceled. A rich guy even had 25 tons of peanuts put at msnbc doorstep to protest the show being canceled (because last episode had a peanut reference)

NEWS STORY

yet, still canceled.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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First of all, Kyo and I was there, esp. you Kyo, you who were insisting upon decorum and civility, your friend is calling names and being arrogant, this is unnecessary.

If you believe this incident does not merit discussion because it was an accident and none of the extenuating circumstances raise red flags for you, why put so much energy into disrupting the conspiracy discussion? You can't bear doubt about the integrity of the armed forces??

In the future you really should try to show some restraint I WAS THERE, referring to the OP as an idiot is a violation. If you are correct, as you insist that you are, then say your piece and leave it alone. You may convince more people if you were not being rude.

just a suggestion.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by I was There
Tgambill: Once again - refuse to do your own factfinding and simply write off anyone who disagrees with you as, what am I supposedly? A disinformation agent? You're quite possibly the most clever individual here. You discovered me so quickly! Let me go run to my CIA supervisor and let him know the cat is out of the bag! Somehow this guy figured us out!



Me thinks thou doth protest too Much!

The research that has been done is very informative and worth considering. Please adjust attitude.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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"First of all, Kyo and I was there, esp. you Kyo, you who were insisting upon decorum and civility, your friend is calling names and being arrogant, this is unnecessary.

If you believe this incident does not merit discussion because it was an accident and none of the extenuating circumstances raise red flags for you, why put so much energy into disrupting the conspiracy discussion? You can't bear doubt about the integrity of the armed forces??

In the future you really should try to show some restraint I WAS THERE, referring to the OP as an idiot is a violation. If you are correct, as you insist that you are, then say your piece and leave it alone. You may convince more people if you were not being rude. "

Why put so much energy into disrupting the conspiracy discussion? I dunno, perhaps it's the need I feel to finally put this nonsense to bed; educate those who aren't in the know on this topc as much as the few of us who are.

My apologies for comming off a bit crass. Arrogance annoys me.

Back to the discussion at hand. tgambill you referenced HR 645 and concentration camps. Surely you weren't talking about the United States House Resolution 645 were you? This one: www.opencongress.org... which has absolutely nothing to do with concentration camps? Surely you must be talking about some other HR 645, which does not, in fact have anything to do with anything other than the establishment of Emergency centers which provide a centralized location for emergency response to collocate all assets of infrastructure needed to efficiently conduct response to emergencies, such as having liasons from local fire/ems/police, federal agencies; medical treatment facilities to attend to mass casualty needs. You've gotta be talking about something else entirely.

Again - RESEARCH THE FACTS FOR YOURSELVES!



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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We put in so much information because we know the story. He apologized for being cras so I am not going to talk for him. I think I've been fairly good thus far.

Why do I use so much energy? Because this is a forum for discussion and debate of conspiracies. If in the end you don't believe me, that's your life. Let's pretend a moment the shoe was on the other foot and I was...I dunno...saying the holocaust never happened and you were a survivor yourself and we debated. Would you not use alot of energy for the truth? You will believe what you believe and that never bothers me, but if I am supposed to say my piece and walk, then what am I doing on such a wonderful site? ((PS I mean that...I like this site alot)

It's a forum. If that's all we did it would be a bunch of threads where we all post one opinion then the thread dies. I don't see alot of point to that. It is incredible to me (and I am now speaking ONLY for myself) when I disagree I am a debunker and a disinfo agent. Well hey, I am not losing any sleep over it, but no I am not going anywhere because as someone said, "let's get back to the conspiracy." This is the conspiracy is it not? Some think this ws on purpose, am I not allowed to discuss my side? Even if I wasn't there, can I not go over my information or is this only for those who agree?

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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I really appreciate your explanation. Thanks.

Now let's take it back to step one: how did the hot warheads end up in the wrong cruise missiles?



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Exactly, when I believe it is 14 signatures required for each nuke moved.

So, they were moved without the signatures? Or they just ooppps signed papers without realizing what they were signing?

The whole thing stinks, and was never "really looked into by the media.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:32 PM
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You sure have come in insulting everyone, I find that very interesting, and you are trying to debunk government projects, which are fact, with paperwork and everything to Halliburton.

Regarding this thread, you sure have come in with guns blazing and it looks like the first time you are posting.

What are you so worried about? We have all been discussing this subject with decorum, unlike you.

I would suggest, when you come in and post, you do it without calling other people names and attacking anyone as trying to dig up what went on as "stupid". You will not make friends here very fast with that attitude, though it doesn't seem like, you are interested in making friends, only attacking those of us who post here.

If you think the threads are that dumb, why are you here?

If you are attacking those who are posting... again why are you here?

So last question, if you can not discussing something without attacking....why are you here?



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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KyoZero and IWT:

Thanks for the info. It really does clear up a lot of the misinformation that's being passed on by sites.

And get use to be told you don't know what you're talking about. That's normal for ATS.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by questioningall
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Exactly, when I believe it is 14 signatures required for each nuke moved.

So, they were moved without the signatures? Or they just ooppps signed papers without realizing what they were signing?

The whole thing stinks, and was never "really looked into by the media.



Well I admit I can't pull the number of signatures right off my head...but here's the thing...those signatures...not all of them sit and physically verify the warhead type. They have a tendency to go off the first few looks. Alot of the rest of the signatures just sign for reception and sending out of the weapon. Again from the start they were all notified that the weapons were cold

-Kyo



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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questioningale, I'll tell you. The "I was there" has an antagonistic title, and in my opinion was called in by Kyo who cannot handle the heat in debunking another Government, CFR, CIA lie. This is no accident or coincidence these sharks are trolling for truth. They are what I call truth sharks. Its like being a homicide det. and you are accusing someone of murder, they have all the answers and corners covered meaning it was premediated. Hey, interesting analogy MURDER......the government has murdered well over 300 Microbiologist, lord knows how many witnesses to the CIA drug airports during the time Klinton was king in Mena, Ak.

They are called Nihilist and they in fact try if possible make the murders they commit look like accidents, suicides, or natural deaths. They also have what is called "Black Book" that keeps nasty secrets of famous people......to blackmail or bribe etc. to vote on bills or not vote on bills, submit their evil bills or other corrupt activities. Notice that they keep it in the family. They even kill each other like snakes.

some are good, some are shaky and over confident especially when dealing with people that know truth. Then, they have to get nasty or even fabricate, blame, lie, insult, threaten. to carry the lie. However, they forget one thing...........they ALWAYS lose............they will never win. Their winning is an illusion hiding the cancer that is growing in their soul and that lies are house of cards and not bricks. Part of their secrets is the very effective use of the principle of Hegelian dialectic. A process that is used to design conflicts to create history and provide predictable results to achieve their objectives. In other words this is why the Illuminati designed Communism and its anti-thesis Facism to make sure they had a war in WWI. The set up was accomplished between 1850 to 1871 by Albert Pike. This also set up the fake Cold War like the fake war on terror. Remember I wrote that Karl Marx did not write the Manifesto. He plagarized it from the work done by an ancestor of FDR, Mason in 1841. The Illuminati both American and Europeans funded Lenin in 1905, Wall Street, [same families], funded the Bolsheviks, and Wall Street fullly funded Hitler in 1928 before they pulled off the Great Depression planned a full decade before, to set us up for a military coup in 1933. General Butler, USMC blew the whistle on the rats. Prescott Bush, DuPont family, Rockefellers, IBM, Henry Ford, list goes were major players. See how they use it. So, Bush, Clinton, Obama are just simple signers and puppets that can be used or taken out any time. Brzezinski is the boss and the link to the Bilderbergers, Trilateral objectives, Illuminati servant, making sure the objectives laid out in the Iron Mountain Commission is carried out to the letter. Obama's citizen security force and Emmanuel's service program.

Rahm Emanuel plans to force you, your children and your grandchildren to enroll in a universal service. What happens to the freedom of those who wish mot to participate? This is a violation of your individual rights. Americans do not need to be forced to give. This man creates the perception that Americans need to be told to give and Government must enslave us to give for the better good of the collective whole.

wakeupamericashow.blogspot.com...

You will find this in the Iron mountain report. 1967.

Americans are none to the wiser. Anyone that researches this will find it confirmed. So, one more incident, CIA generated crime wave, and justification to declare martial law. FDR failed at this, and so did Nixon. But this time......it just might happen.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Yeah I never called in anyone. He asked and I showed him.

If you don't like what I have to say you don't have to discuss with me my friend.

I won't talk poorly about you. I can go on discussing with others. It seems some understand what I am getting at

-Kyo



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