What will change your mind about Obama?

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
What will change your mind about Obama?

If he starts channeling Ron Paul then I'd consider changing my mind about him. I'd say the same thing about Mccain if he were elected. (I didn't support him either).

Otherwise - there is no real 'change, hope, unity'.
Only more of the same empty political rhetoric.

Originally posted by Adamo
#1 Investigate 9/11

#2 End support to Israel

#3 End the War on drugs

#4 end the private federal reserve scheme, bring back Lincoln's greenbacks

#5 end PATRIOT ACT

#6 veto all previous executive orders, take America OUT OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY

He will need to do all of these things to convince me that we are in for any thing close to POSITIVE change

You do know that any ONE of those would be considered a 'miracle' happening, not to mention all of them. The Patriot Act, for example. Obama voted in favor of the second revision of the Patriot Act.

Veto ALL previous executive orders? Are you freaking for real? Do you know how many there are?

www.archives.gov...

GW Bush - 279
Clinton - 364
G. Bush - 166
Reagan - 381
Carter - 320
Ford - 169
Nixon - 346
Johnson - 324
Kennedy - 214
Eisenhower - 486
Truman - 896
FD Roosevelt - 3,728
Herbert Hoover - 1,011

Total - 8,684

You seriously want Obama to go and undo all of those?

End support to Israel? Oh yeah, good luck with that one. That's an alliance forged by the PTB. The alliance with Israel won't ever break until *they* want it to break.

Good luck on these unrealistic expectations.

reply to post by sos37


I didn't say I thought ANY of them would happen.

See how much "hope" he's given me?

I would change my mind if we had full disclosure of ufos.
Abolish the fed reserve.
Punish Bush and Cheney.
Punish the bankers who pissed the economy away.
Pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Investigate 911 in an honest and thorough fashion.
Thats just for starters.

reply to post by redhatty


Abolish the IRS, stop taxing social security on retiree's. And, an immediate reform of the healthcare system!! If we aren't well, there is a whole host of issues that will worsen. We need healthcare, and I mean, now! Probably yesterday!

I just have one thing that covers many subjects. Since he is about to take the oath and as a constitutional lawyer he should be intimately familiar with that document.

I want Obama to vigorously and completely restore and hold the federal, state and local governments to the rules and guidelines established by the Constitution with extreme prejudice.

Now the best way to do it would be to call both houses and and say "Here it gang, those that don't want to do it are free to resign. Those that stay will not try to sidestep it under penalty of public execution for treason. Now lets get to work."

IRS and Federal Reserve would be gone with a pen stroke, NAFTA, GAFTA, etc gone as well. Revenue was always meant to be collected from tariffs and duties on imports, not from the sweat of the laborers. In the Middle Ages, we called that fiefdom, one of the very principals that we tried to avoid.

I am well aware that Obama has an ego, what I really want him to do is show that he has some balls.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by Ahabstar]

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
what would he have to do to gain your trust and support?

I would need to see a demonstrable commitment to open and honest government...a restoration of the rule of law and due process...and a return to property rights before the Supreme Court's Kelo v. New London decision.

That would be a great start, among others.

If he clearly demonstrated an ability to walk on water and showed a pair of dry heels afterwards I may come around.

Oh, and be the first completely honest politician.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


lol im canadian so nothing they can really do

unless i decide to go down to the states for the inauguration

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
reply to post by The Bald Champion

 

welcome back MM

yes I am happy my candidate will be president... hopefully though fellow ATSers here wary of him can give me an answer as to what Obama has to do to gain trust and support from them... I think this is a very important question and one hopefully president Obama is looking into....

I dont want this to be like the last 8years where one part of the population is left out of the cold... Hopefully the Obama administration is considering this... I think his meeting with conservatives and such a week or so ago was a good step....

I'll give him a year before I even start to form any kind of judgment on him.

Let's see what kind of job he does before we lable him a success or a failure.

Personally, I didn't vote for him. But he's got my best wishes and prayers for a successful term or terms.

I'm curious to see what kind of a tone he sets with his inaugural address.

Hope? Yeah, I'll go with that...for now.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I agree with you, but I think you're making an assumption that anyone who supports Obama is a Democrat or supports Democrats

No, i don't assume that at all....do i assume that some do? Hell yeah....but of course not everyone...especially here. You don't get a 71 percent approval rating by having only democrats supporting you.

The best comparison i can think of people that do this.

A guy looking through a fence hole in his yard looking at all the despicable things going on that his neighbor is doing on the other side. In the meanwhile he doesn't know, pretends, and/or ignores what going on in his own backyard.

It's tunnel vision.

What do i want Obama to do? Dramatically cut spending across the board. Lower business and income taxes (eventually eliminate income taxes altogether). We need to start producing things in this country again...until that happens all of our money will continue to go overseas.

Pull back ALL troops from everywhere. Guard our country, protect it...we are spread to thin. Besides it costs WAY to much money..money we don't have.

Eliminate...yes..i said eliminate Social Security...not for those already receiving it or close to receiving it..(it's debatable obviously). I don't know about others my age, but i'm tired of paying into something that i'll never receive. This is a huge problem which i really see no way of solving.

People should have their own personal accounts that they pay into (or something to that nature) to save for retirement.

I pretty much fall in line with RP on most things...that's probably all i really needed to state.

reply to post by southern_Guardian





Sorry, modifying how I think of the Obamaman is not likely to happen.


A whole laundry list of things could be done to help our present situation. Problem is emotions have gotten in the fray, and freakin' out has become the order of the day.

Does everything need to change? I guess some of the policies put into effect
by previous administrations should be rescinded, but which ones from which administration? Is that the kind of change We the People desire? That is, should we accept that the changes we have been dealt over and over again, simply because one political party has gained a majority in congress/ a new empty suit in the White House?

Every change in in the balance of power brings about changes to the policies established by the previous controllers.

For example... Border fence - yes or no, one or the other... just make up our minds once and for all!
WAR- Quit blowing things up and then rebuilding to be blown up again. We could just as well put people to work diggings holes, and others to fill the holes with the material removed, and get just as far ahead.

Doing the same thing time after time, and being disappointed in the same results is insanity.

Originally posted by seagull
Let's see what kind of job he does before we lable him a success or a failure.

Personally, I didn't vote for him. But he's got my best wishes and prayers for a successful term or terms.

I'm curious to see what kind of a tone he sets with his inaugural address.

Hope? Yeah, I'll go with that...for now.

I agree, I didn't vote for him. However he is going to be my President for atleast 4 years so I will support him through the rough times as I would through the good ones. Just like I did for President Bush.

Heres to him doing a good job .

God knows we can't afford for him doing anything but.

You liberals kill me, talk down to folks without even knowing it much of the time. But you probably do know it.

Get it through your heads that some people don't like liberals, their history, their hypocrisy ect.

But you asked. I don't like the things he says, the big brother language, his spin, his version of the con.

As well I personally consider his presidency a combination of years of black history indoctrination on the youth as well as a total media blitz assassination of Bush.

In addition Black Socialist Ideologues are very dangerous. Their idealism is so infused with Marxism, Race Identity, some racial superiority, retribution ect. Their political reality is largely built on ideas about white comeuppance.

They also believe or preach anyway that any disagreement with them is racism. This is bad for our society and makes slave of mens minds and mouths.

Let's see. I would consider changing my mind about Obama if:

1. He abandoned the idea of his own personal "army" ie, "Organizing for America", described by the LA Times as “an unprecedented standing political army for a president."

2. He kept the Bush tax cuts in place.

3. He opened up the financial records of his campaign and returned all his overseas donations.

4. He started to support ID check for all voting.

5. He produced a valid birth certificate (not a Certificate of Live Birth)

6. He appointed a conservative Supreme Court Judge who favored the right to life.

7. He kept the current secret ballot for union voting in place.

8. He became a capitalist rather than a socialist.

So, I'm sad to say, there's really no world where I'll be able to support Barack Obama, and indeed, I intend on giving him the same level of support that the Democrats have given GWB that last eight years.

Originally posted by seagull
Let's see what kind of job he does before we lable him a success or a failure.

Personally, I didn't vote for him. But he's got my best wishes and prayers for a successful term or terms.

I'm curious to see what kind of a tone he sets with his inaugural address.

Hope? Yeah, I'll go with that...for now.

I'm curious to see what kind of a tone he sets with his inaugural address.

Words, just words,

Actions, waiting for actions.

If Obama destroys the Federal Reserve bringing back gold and silver...that's a start. Then limits government intervention like its supposed to be...I'll support him 11ty billion %. It's that simple.

reply to post by sos37


Funnily enough, removing all executive orders was on my list as well. Coupled with a 2 year limit on effectiveness of current orders, so that policies have to be reviewed before continuance, and people held accountable as required.

Why? The Executive arm is not for making law-especially in secret. If something needs to be changed, get someone to bring it up in the legislative arm. It doesn't seem to be that difficult to do so for whatever platform espoused prior to being elected, so it should be that hard to get something passed to, for instance, change the order of succession for the Department of Agriculture.

And yes, having a committee (more than likely) review the outstanding orders will probably take time. But after all, we're already being told he can't do what he promised in 'only one term' anyway......


Edited to note that I'm not asking that the executive order power be completely withdrawn-see the two year limit mentioned-I'm just demanding limits to the power.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by lostbug]

This comment wont be long.
The only thing that could change my mind about Obama, is if Obama changed Obama.
He is just like all other lying politicians, he is messing with my constitution,
he never does what he says hes going to do. He puts people on his team that scream the opposite .
To me, he is a sock puppet, that is not going to serve this country, but serve those people who got him into office in the first place.
I dont like his wife, I think shes going to make a horrible first lady.
I dont like his attitude, he talks to the American people like they are stupid(which in some cases a lot of his followers are).
I dont like his foreign policy, because he really doesnt have a clue on foreign policy. He made that apparent duringhis campaign.
I dont like that he has yet to prove his citizenship(real BC) not a fake, computer printout of his cert, of live birth.
I dont like his pals.
I Dont likehow the media has made him out to be some messiah.

So if you ask me, there is nothing he can do to make me like him.
That may sound really horrible, and I know some of you will say "just give him a chance"
Well, I have given him a chance, right after the election I said "ok, well, hes our president now, lets just see what good he can do"
So far, he has shown very little to me, besides being on SNL.

One thing I liked about what he did, is when he put his hand over his heart standing next to biden at the Unkown mans grave, but even then I was a little skeptical.

I dont trust him. AT ALL.