>'People need to start waking up and as well as opening their eyes try their brains as well. Israel is not a nation of peace loving people and lets ask the big question, why is it that where ever people of the Jewish faith are there is always war, murder and mayhem. Start seeing Israelis for what they are and what they are really up to rather than trying to defend their criminal and genocidal actions.'

Geez MagicMushroom...

If you were to check your facts a lightly more closely, you would find that the honor of having 'always war, murder and mayhem' follow them statistically goes to Islam...



You know the religion of Peace thing.

When all of the propaganda is stripped back from the travails that Israel encounters... it always comes down to...

Jihadists, holy warriors.

I mean Hamas is totally getting waxed in Gaza...

But if you go look at what is being shown to the faithful on Al Jazerra, the holy warriors are, Allah willing, scoring victory after victory!

Against the Infidel, of course.

Your account seems biased big guy.

Hey Grim, you found those links.

We can pick the conversation up from there...

Instead of using Israelisturnbabiesoverspits.jpg... ah, make that IsraelisDrinkBluuuddd!.jpg. No... that's NOT it... Oh Yeah...

The old SlowMotionGenocide.jpg.

(And you anti-Israel propagandists wonder why NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY! )

Speaking of NOT taking you seriously...

Are you saying that because Arabs are such bad shots (Not to mention, the worlds WORST warriors), that Israelis shouldn't defend themselves?

We are going to have to invent a new branch of logic to cover that...

Maybe we could call it Hyper Moronic modes of thought?



Nah... Needs a good acronym. I'll work on it.



[edit on 16-1-2009 by golemina]

The Israelis have indeed been land grabbing since they set foot into the country, to argue otherwise is silly. They continue to settle in what are indigenous arab areas even now hence the current conflict. The indigenous peoples have their homes and land taken on a daily basis. Even the Israelis admit this so why anyone here is saying its not true are just being silly. If Israel states the land is theirs by right and they are taking that land that must mean the indigenous people are being displaced from said land yes.

Terrorism is the only weapon available to a nation that has no standing armed forces. The French resistance were freedom fighters to us but terrorists to the Germans.

In any nation that is invaded and occupide you have acts of terrorism or heroism depending on your view point.

No one disputes the results of terrorists acts but one must look at the reason for such attacks and not the results.

>'Terrorism is the only weapon available to a nation...'

And THERE you have it.

Say... Does that explain why Gaza is being ground into dust as we speak?



Every form of refuge has it's price.

Unfortunately, the Arab world is feeding these poor fools an unending sheer fiction about how they're winning!

Absurdity cubed.

They're totally brainwashed fools... But why don't you see the absurdity Magic?

I've read hoping to hear someone sum a few things up but maybe I missed it.
1) lots of talk about history here...so it must be important to the discussion so lets use history to address the deaths of innocent people which seem to be fodder for those talking about "war crimes" and such.
...we didn't have ATS or the internet during WWII but could you imagine the threads we would have regarding the U.S. fire bombing the hell out of Japan prior to dropping Fat Boy? But because we do have this new awesome tech. War is fought differently....Countries actually give a rats ass about public opinion to some degree, which of course has "saved" some people's lives.
Some of you seem to think that Israel is capable of losing any of these or potential wars. You expect Israel and others to fight wars with apendages tied behind their backs or "fairly"....Some have even said that Hamas is putting up a great fight.... Would it be easier to understand if...lets say...we didn't have the internet nor 24/7 propaganda news....now how many hours would the fighting last in Gaza if Israel took off the gloves?
What does it say about a Country that actually makes an effort to not wipe out innocent people? No country these days in this modern era can ignore public opinion entirely. The days of wiping out 80,000+ people with bombs are over...rejoice! But also get real and understand that Israel can't lose militarily....they can decide that public opinion is too stacked against them to continue some venture but it is their political decision to end any conflict. They could fight on every front against every middle east threat at the same time if they went old school on them.....I think if we had a "Gaza type" camera set up in the desert of Iraq during the shock an awe phase of that conflict you would get some sense of "bringing it".
-------so, at the very least, understand that Israel "does" care about the loss of innocent lives....whether you believe it is "humanitarian" or "political" and once you understand that....understand what they can bring militarily and understand that they "do" have restraint.
....debate the balance if you want. But stop the nonsense that they could lose a war militarily. Stop saying that they have no interest in sparing innocent lives.....hate them....love them....be indifferent....but start trying to be a little more intellectually honest with your self.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by Res Ipsa]

OooooooKaaaay!

Any further news on the Lebanon border? Any close flyovers, any mortars, rockets, and movement by the Syrians, or any threatening by Hamas?

Anything?

Or was this just a prudent move to mirror the troop movement of Syria?

I would like to know the same thing. This thread has gone so far off topic and turned into a bunch of diarrhea. Is there any real news about the Israeli buildup on the Lebanese border?