Israeli army masses along Lebanon border

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by magicmushroom

 

Hey, if Mexico can take over Southern California, then I'm all for it.

And if Canada can take over Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York City, hell, I'm all for that. I'd even be for throwing Maryland in on the deal.

LOL, HEY, I have family land in New York, leave them be! Their taxes are bad enough, the last thing I need is a completely Socialist takeover of my Property. I will give you Maryland though, hand them over already lol.

reply to post by golemina

golemia, it's a trick map. The periods are carefully chosen to skewer what happened.

In 1948/49, the new nation of Israel was attacked by Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.

They lost a bit of territory, AND a lot of "Palestinians" left! Those that left were unable to return.

In 1956, there was another little scrap. Egypt blocked all Israeli shipping through the Suez, and blockaded the Straits of Tiran. By the way, this was the first time the Israelis took over Gaza.

Again, on June 4, of 1967 (note the dating on the map) Israel was looking at huge forces mobilizing on three fronts, and decided rather than take the first punch, they nailed the Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian air forces right between the eyes.

On June 11, Israel had whipped Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, they had won a ton of land, including taking Gaza for the second time.

In 1973, Israel was attacked again, and maintained their lands.

So you'll note that the maps would indicate a steady erosion of "Palestinian" land, whereas, if you look at all the pre-war and then post-war maps, you'll see how this increase in territory actually happened.

I guarantee you, some wiseass Palestinian drew up this map and skewered the maps dates to make Israel look bad.

Hell, they've turned Gaza loose twice. And in 1967, it only contained 300,000 "Palestinians." Now there's 1.5 million?

These retards need birth control.

And more honest maps.

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost

Originally posted by golemina
reply to post by grimreaper797

 

Slowly expanding itself?

Hmm....

History would seem to disagree with you GrimReaper797.

I couldn't help but notice... You didn't really answer my question.

Do Israelis have the right to exist?

History would seem to disagree? Heres a map disagree with this.....


I recommend you check up on middle eastern history especially that of Israel because Grim is trying to teach you something that you just cant grasp.

I strongly suggest you stop posting this map repeatedly on this site. Apart from the fact that there is no source provided telling the measuring criterion, it is completely inaccurate.

I can ask the 12 year old kid next door to photoshop a map with any colour configuration and labelling and call it history too.

Just for starters, you might want to check the British census data that is publically avaialable before telling people where Jews were living in this part of the Sinai peninsula in 1946.


Mike F

How lame am I answering my own question?



>'Do you think you missed a couple of steps... '

That would be the countries that negotiated terms favorable to themselves (read got land back) in exchange for peace (read true peace).

Sure, Israel has grown... but it's NOT as simple as they were waging endless wars of acquistion (as implied by some in this thread).

It winds up being more like they are under constant attack and quite frankly the Arabs are horrible modern warriors.

The truth be told, the Israelis have given in to pressure to give the land back, cuz those fools REALLY do want peace... Not land. And they mistakely thought it would buy them something with the world.

Not!



As an honest observer, I would have advised keeping it all. But that's just me.

The stupid countries would eventually have stopped attacking them... when they had no country left to attack from (a la Rome )...

Also eventually arriving at peace.

That pretty much brings us to the present...

With this thread being about maybe something happening in the north.

The Arabs have been trying the same idiotic strategy for 60 years...

AEIOU...

Psst... Join ECONOMIC forces with the Israelis. Sitting on the biggest tourist attraction on the planet... etc. etc. etc.

What a combination of intellect/labor... capital/determination...

Slap!

That would make TOO much sense.

Nah... Let's just jihad each other for another 60 years.

Yeah... THAT'S the ticket!

Let's do Lebanon again!

Blood thirsty Israelis!



PS

Yeah Dooper thanx on the map info.

It's kinda sad to have to resort to those type misinfo tactics.

But rather humorous when you look at the 47 maps (it's EVEN on Wiki!). It actually looks like the 'Palestinians' took land from the Israelis.

>It's a trick map...

And here I thought 'slowmogenocidebmp.jpg' was a dead giveaway!




[edit on 15-1-2009 by golemina]

Originally posted by dooper

Hell, they've turned Gaza loose twice. And in 1967, it only contained 300,000 "Palestinians." Now there's 1.5 million?

These retards need birth control.

Well... kinda reminds you of some alleged AND FALSE 6 million (plus) figure from some other event in history doesnt it?

How many jews are now since WW2? Numbers dont make sense in these things... they never add up.

Hell if Israel can play with numbers for 60 years and get away with it, arabs can play with numbers also and try the same... of course, in a more realistic way, learning from other's mistake, and not turning war events into some Tolkien's Lord of the Rings or any other fantasy tale.

[edit on 15-1-2009 by MilitieTempliSalmo]

Psalm 83 refers to the formation of an arab confederacy that will come against Israel , as explained in "Isralestine" by Bill Salus and 'God's War On Terror" by the ex- muslim terrorist Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson.

Israel will be victorious and there will be outrage against them for only defending their homeland. "Come,and let us cut them off from being a nation",psalm83.

Now Useless Nations has been attacked. They have made no secret that they despise Israel and were probably housing some Hamas scum, thus may have deserved the warning shot they received.

reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo


No false numbers. Do your homework.

Are you another that suggests that the Holocaust was not as reported by secular sources, and are you suggesting that the estimated 6-7 million Jews were not killed during that effort?

Is it me, or do you sound just like Janus, who sounds just like Baghdad Bob? I mean no offense, but you sound just like each other, like a good echo.

But hey, I actually liked Baghdad Bob. His claims were so outrageous that they had me in stitches. I mean, he was absolutely . . . shameless.

SO is this build up still continuing? Things must be getting hot over there now-we're up top 7 pages on here but i dont see any new news. Whats going on??? Has Israel started air strikes yet? Has Hezbollha started firing the rockets??? Whats going on- idont see any news on this thread after the topic was started???


Soould it be locked?

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo

 

Are you another that suggests that the Holocaust was not as reported by secular sources, and are you suggesting that the estimated 6-7 million Jews were not killed during that effort?

Is it me, or do you sound just like Janus, who sounds just like Baghdad Bob? I mean no offense, but you sound just like each other, like a good echo.

But hey, I actually liked Baghdad Bob. His claims were so outrageous that they had me in stitches. I mean, he was absolutely . . . shameless.

If you look at what's been bee going on at ATS since Israel started bombing Gaza about 20 days ago you notice something.

There are a small handful of members posting non-stop reportage on anything and everything that is critcal of Israel, the IDF, and those world controlling Zionists.

Ditto every outrage reported by Hamas, true or not, get's a new thread.

These dauntless champions of freedom seem not to have slept for days, busily posting new horror stories by the hour on those terrible terrible people of Hebraic persuasion.

Where and how do they get these stories so quickly and in such great number? Is there an army of people scouring every broadcast, every magazine article, every blog, every webpage out there?

Why, when they are so busy and so thorough in finding news have these seekers of justice never been able to find one itty bitty piece of information showing Hamas or any Arab country or organization in even a slightly negative light.

Are we missing the final truth that has evaded us for so long. All Jews are devils and all Muslims are angels?

Just wondering.


Mike F

So if it all boils down to money and ownership, how about this. You better pay your debts back or learn to speak a few Oriental languages. You don't even legally own your country anymore so I guess its O.K. to give another country permission to take someone elses country away from them. Thats why you caused the financial crisis the entire world is in right now. You knew if everyone else started having problems with your fake money (created out of nothing) they would have to bail you out and would turn a blind eye to anyone who condemned your foreign policies. It makes me puke to listen to people who think a few bullets and bombs will straighten things out. If this all goes to hell because of people like you and your friends who are mimicking what was done to them in W.W.II, don't ask me for a field dressing. I might just be looking to see if you'll provide me with a GOOD STEAK. If you aren't too irradiated to eat that is. Sweet dreams you war mongers.

Originally posted by golemina
I try NOT to take myself TOO seriously

Don't worry, given your posts in this thread, none of us will be taking you too seriously either.

Your argument is simply "well your source is wrong, na-na boo-boo"

Really, amazing display of debating skills.

My post from before still stands, since you have yet to do ANY single thing to address it. Though you did try to derail it once, which didn't work so well.

Ok hold up just one second, there are a few things that people seem to be missing in this debate.

Firstly the "they don't give a # about civilians" argument well, doesn't that apply to both sides and as Westerners are we in any position to claim the moral high-ground when we used conventional and atomic bombing campaigns against cities where we knew mass loss of civilian life would be incurred. This was within living memory and similar to the aims of Israel and/or Hamas was conducted to halt/reduce arms production, destroy civilian moral and thus any support for war.

Secondly we shouldn't be arguing about which side is going to kick the other sides a** this is an extremely childish point to argue, the issue here is that diplomacy has not been fully committed to at any point in the history of this decades old conflict and instead an approach fostering massive human suffering and loss of life has been adopted.

Thirdly we have a modern army using what in my opinion is grossly superior firepower, manpower and technological advantage against a force which maybe numbers in the thousands and has at best basic weaponry with which to defend itself.

Let us not deny that it was a dumb move on the behalf of Hamas to fire rockets into Israel but when a people are subjected to months of starvation, decades of insult and death you really can't expect them to behave in a way that we would term "restrained." And to all those who would accuse me of taking sides, well I am merely making the point that on moral grounds the disproportionate use of force by Israel is not justified and neither is the rocket bombardment of Israeli citizens justified as a means of defense/aggression.

If we look at history, the conflict between Britain and Ireland for example (Britain would represent Israel and Ireland - Gaza) then you can see that despite Britain being the more powerful of the 2, our centuries of occupation and oppression against the Irish were for naught and it was only with diplomacy and sacrifice that we eventually achieved peace.

No-one should advocate violence as a means to an ends, its a cop-out and a window to a side of humanity that is neither honourable nor beneficial to us as a species.

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost

Originally posted by golemina
reply to post by grimreaper797

 

Slowly expanding itself?

Hmm....

History would seem to disagree with you GrimReaper797.

I couldn't help but notice... You didn't really answer my question.

Do Israelis have the right to exist?

History would seem to disagree? Heres a map disagree with this.....


[
I recommend you check up on middle eastern history especially that of Israel because Grim is trying to teach you something that you just cant grasp.

Want a true historical map?

www.masada2000.org...

I love this map, it is explained so even the slow dimwitted of the earth can understand. It even takes a swipe at liberal softies for an Israeli General giving back land in hopes of reaching out to those in conquered lands. Well, the historical evidence is in, being a nice guy just doesn't work with these people. It may have worked in the case of Egypt though, they seem to be a good mediator nowadays.


[edit on 16-1-2009 by SectionEight]

reply to post by mmiichael


"These dauntless champions of freedom seem not to have slept for days, busily posting new horror stories by the hour on those terrible terrible people of Hebraic persuasion."

We are truly lucky to have such people on our site.

They are truly Champions of Freedom and true humanitarians lending a voice to those who have none.

They are hard pressed to keep up the struggle against the overwhelming number of pro-israeli propagandists and liars on this site - if the truth wasn't on their Side, they wouldn't stand a chance against the pro-israeli mob.

reply to post by SectionEight


Yeah, funny thing is, how much land in the country of Egypt is now Israel? How much land in Palestine is now Israel?

Well the Israelis might as well give it their best shot as they are doomed to fail. Maybe some one should tell them that their superpower ally (in name only) is flat broke and will soon be asking them for a few free billions. Maybe the US could sell them a super carrier for that sea of sand

But all those Israeli supporters here are going to be in for a big shock when Israel gets its ass wupped big time. You cannot keep poking the tiger, sooner or later its going to bite your head off and it will.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
reply to post by SectionEight

 

Yeah, funny thing is, how much land in the country of Egypt is now Israel? How much land in Palestine is now Israel?

No, this is not correct. You might want to go back and read your history. Egypt declared war on Israel, lost, and Israel administered it as a buffer zone. Egypt refuses to take it back. This is an unambiguous fact.

There is a Palestininan state - it's called Jordan. What peopleare talking about is the attempt to carve out a second Palestinian state out of Israel.

Three quarters of a million Jews were thrown out of Muslim countries in 1948 after Arab forces unsuccessfully descended on Israel the day after their independence. They left and went to Israel. The West turned a blind eye to this. No one asks that this injustice be rectifed.

People aren't really interested in knowing the history of the region, only finding excuses to blame Israel for.


Mike F

reply to post by SectionEight


Nice link. One has to look at the gesture made by Israel, and see how they have been repaid, and not forget this ever.

When I start seeing Muslims protesting against brutal terrorist attacks, then I will start to pay attention, but their protest against Israels defensive retaliation against Hamases unprovoked aggression, only increases my distrust.

Excuses to blame Israel, are you serious? Israel is a state formed out of Terrorism and a state that uses terrorism and assasiantion like we breath the air. This despot nation has and does kill any who gets in its way or what it wants. Its rabid racism of others especially Arabs has been well doccumented over the years as has the actions of Mossad. Implicated for presidential assasinations to 9/11 yet there are those here who make them seem like angels who can do no wrong.

People need to start waking up and as well as opening their eyes try their brains as well. Israel is not a nation of peace loving people and lets ask the big question, why is it that where ever people of the Jewish faith are there is always war, murder and mayhem. Start seeing Israelis for what they are and what they are really up to rather than trying to defend their criminal and genocidal actions.

Poet, and when I see Americans attacking people it increases my misstrust of them. Just how many countries have been invaded and occupide by Muslims to date, NONE.