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Originally posted by Xtraeme
RFBurns has correctly, and repeatedly stated, that many black op projects are outside the normal checks and balances of congressional oversight.
8-105 Annual Reports and Revalidation
a. Section 119 of title 10, United States Code requires that not later than March 1 of each year, the Secretary of Defense shall report all DoD SAPs to Congress. These annual reports also serve as the vehicle for revalidation and approval for continuation of all DoD SAPs by the Deputy Secretary of Defense. Any SAP not granted approval to continue shall be terminated.
8-101 SAP Procedures
Unless exempted by the Secretary of Defense or Deputy Secretary of Defense, the DoD SAP Oversight Committee, (SAPOC), management structure and its working level Senior Review Group (SRG) shall be the forum for addressing the approval and disapproval for all DoD SAPs. In brief, the DoD utilizes a SAP Coordination Office (SAPCO), to support the SAPOC.
Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by Xtraeme
Good post and I agree with your sentiments. However, I still feel as if Obama could simply sign into law an executive order bringing Corporate America into Congressional oversight.
Originally posted by RFBurns
Any line item in the law, which leaves a loophole, the DOD or even NSA and CIA can throw whatever they see fit into that loophole.
And if they feel that the president is in the catagory of one that doesnt need to know, he wont know or have any access.
They did not create their little isolated realm without covering every corner and wall without that layer of contingency. If it were that easy for any president to get access, it would have happend a long time ago.
Originally posted by danelectro
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Originally posted by converge
Originally posted by RFBurns
Any line item in the law, which leaves a loophole, the DOD or even NSA and CIA can throw whatever they see fit into that loophole.
And if they feel that the president is in the catagory of one that doesnt need to know, he wont know or have any access.
Do you have any evidence of this? Is it specified in any legislation that the President might not be given access to these Programs?
Originally posted by converge
I don't doubt if a group exists without the Government that is keeping this information secret that they keep Presidents out of the loop, but one thing is what is done unofficially and the other one is what is official policy and law.
And what I argued in my post is that I don't believe they have the legality to deny the President that information.
Originally posted by converge
If they do, it is illegal, and if Obama or any other President that really wanted to know about it, and reveal to the people that he was denied access, I assure you that something would happen.
What would the people do if they found out that their representative, the Commander in Chief, the President was being denied access?
Originally posted by danelectro
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Originally posted by RFBurns
Your missing it all together here. They are "outside" of law. Meaning that they are able to withold anything and everything they see fit from any congressman/woman, president and his staff, anyone. And since they are unacknowledged and unaccounted for, there isnt any way to track what they have done or will do. They are given a yearly budget, and thats all congress even sees. ...
It isnt illegal because what they do is outside of the law, it is outside of constitutional law and the processes set down by it. They do not answer to what you and I know as the law. They do not answer to congress or the president. They are literally above and byond constitutional law.
Obviously Obama knows about congress budgeting billions every year to these unaccounted for black op projects. So he knows that as a former senator, and now president elect, he cant just sign some order and expect them to bow just because his name is Obama and is the new president.
All of this began over 50 years ago and even Eisenhower tried to warn people about it...but did they listen to him?
The black ops are outside of the democratic processes, as is part of the military industrial complex that is invovled with those black op projects and their contractors. That needs to be changed and changed quickly. ...
Once those barriers are removed and accountability is enacted and these black op projects are monitored and controlled by congress, which is where it should be anyway, then that brings it back into the realm of constitutional law and its checks and balance