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Enlightenment. What is it and how do we know when we have achieved it?

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posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:12 AM
Twelve Signs of Your Awakening Divinity

“Shaumbra” means Family and Deep Inner Friendship
By Geoffrey Hoppe and Tobias

1. Body aches and pains, especially in the neck, shoulder and back. This is the result of intense changes at your DNA level as the "Christ seed" awakens within. This too shall pass.

2. Feeling of deep inner sadness for no apparent reason. You are releasing your past (this lifetime and others) and this causes the feeling of sadness. This is similar to the experience of moving from a house where
you lived in for many, many years into a new house. As much as you want to move into the new house, there is a sadness of leaving behind the memories, energy and experiences of the old house. This too shall pass.

3. Crying for no apparent reason. Similar to #2 above. It's good and healthy to let the tears flow. It helps to release the old energy within. This too shall pass.

4. Sudden change in job or career. A very common symptom. As you change, things around you will change as well. Don't worry about finding the "perfect" job or career right now. This too shall pass. You're in transition and you may make several job changes before you settle into one that fits your passion.

5. Withdrawal from family relationships. You are connected to your biological family via old karma. When you get off the karmic cycle, the bonds of the old relationships are released. It will appear as though you are drifting away from your family and friends. This too shall pass. After a period of time, you may develop a new relationship with them if it is appropriate. However, the relationship will be based in the new energy without the karmic attachments.

6. Unusual sleep patterns. It's likely that you'll awaken many nights between 2:00 and 4:00 AM. There's a lot of work going on within you, and it often causes you to wake up for a "breather." Not to worry. If you can't go back to sleep, get up and do something rather than lay in bed and worry about humanly things. This too shall pass.

7. Intense dreams. These might include war and battle dreams, chase dreams or monster dreams. You are literally releasing the old energy within, and these energies of the past are often symbolized as wars, running to escape and boogiemen. This too shall pass.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:13 AM
8. Physical disorientation. At times you'll feel very ungrounded. You'll be "spatially challenged" with the feeling like you can't put two feet on the ground, or that you're walking between two worlds. As your consciousness transitions into the new energy, you body sometimes lags behind. Spend more time in nature to help ground the new energy within. This too shall pass.

9. Increased "self talk." You'll find yourself talking to your Self more often. You'll suddenly realize you've been chattering away with yourself for the past 30 minutes. There is a new level of communication taking place within your being, and you're experiencing the tip of the iceberg with the self talk. The conversations will increase, and they will become more fluid, more coherent and more insightful. You're not going crazy, you're just Shaumbra moving into the new energy.

10. Feelings of loneliness, even when in the company of others. You may feel alone and removed from others. You may feel the desire to "flee" groups and crowds. As Shaumbra, you are walking a sacred and lonely path. As much as the feelings of loneliness cause you anxiety, it is difficult to relate to others at this time. The feelings of loneliness are also associated with the fact that your Guides have departed. They have been with you on all of your journeys in all of your lifetimes. It was time for them to back away so you could fill your space with your own divinity. This too shall pass. The void within will be filled with the love and energy of your own Christ consciousness.

11. Loss of passion. You may feel totally disimpassioned, with little or no desire to do anything. That's OK, and it's just part of the process. Take this time to "do no-thing." Don't fight yourself on this, because this too shall pass. It's similar to rebooting a computer. You need to shut down for a brief period of time in order to load the sophisticated new software, or in this case, the new Christ-seed energy.

12. A deep longing to go Home. This is perhaps the most difficult and challenging of any of the conditions. You may experience a deep and overwhelming desire to leave the planet and return to Home. This is not a "suicidal" feeling. It is not based in anger or frustration. You don't want to make a big deal of it or cause drama for yourself or other. There is a quiet part of you that wants to go Home. The root cause for this is quite simple. You have completed your karmic cycles. You have completed your contract for this lifetime. You are ready to begin a new lifetime while still in this physical body. During this transition process, you have an inner remembrance of what it is like to be on the other side. Are you ready to enlist for another tour of duty here on Earth? Are you ready to take on the challenges of moving into the New Energy? Yes, indeed you could go Home right now. But you've come this far, and after many, many lifetimes it would be a shame to leave before the end of the movie. Besides, Spirit needs you here to help others transition into the new energy. They will need a human guide, just like you, who has taken the journey from the old energy into the new. The path you're walking right now provides the experiences to enable you to become a Teacher of the New Divine Human. As lonely and dark as your journey can be at times, remember that you are never alone.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:16 AM
That was some of the most pessimistic...opinionated dribble I have ever heard.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:22 AM
reply to post by SeenAndNeverHeard

what is it that you belive then... come on if your gonna talk crap ... throw yours out there to. If this thread is going to be about ignorance lets fill it to the brim with this useless junk.

Make sure you add that you must accept jesus as your savior.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 03:29 AM
reply to post by SeenAndNeverHeard

You better believe it! Its even worst then it sounds('
') and only through your awareness and courage will you make it through - your beer and porn will not suffice when your cage will be rattled('

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 04:44 AM

Originally posted by Wertdagf
DO you respect religions that find it ok to kill another as a sacrafice? Do you support religions that degrade females?

What do you think? Silly questions those. You need to possibly experience the religions you are speaking of bro. I've expereinced 3 main world religions (though i'm not religious now), so know i speak from experience. The concept & common message of all religion is a good one. It is viable for the folks that need this vehicle to realise something greater than themselves.

You are assuming all idiots who do the above things you have quoted, actually are true followers of said religion(s). Re: degrade females. This thread isn't to be about this i know, i want you to know this is propaganda, and i have experienced the opposite perssonally first hand. Not simply read about something. Anyhow...

Your mind doesnt allow you to see past tomarrow, that is a pity.

Can you tell me why i should dwell on some supposed things that may yet come? when i do this, i am never fully living in this moment. A part of me is somewhere else, yet not truely, only in my mind, :-) .

Prayer and worship will exist as long as people accept they will never understand, which is what faith was never intended to lead to.

This is where even some of the current followers of religion get it wrong. Religion was never meant to be about faith solely. ANY of them. It is an experiental path also.

To say you support all religions is a very ignorant statement.

To recoqnise that all have a right to attempt to experience the divine as they wish, and respect those paths, is my own personal way, sure. If it's ignorant, that's cool. It's how it is. :-).

There is only one anwser to the origin and design of reality. That isnt ego.. that is the truth. Do you really think letting people sit in there bubbles is going to make the world a better place? I plan to pop them all.

Within spirituality, it's best to let folks decide their own path, and realise, our own personal preferences are only ultmately valid to ourselves. We have no right or mandate spirtually to 'pop anyones bubbles', unless they explcitly wish it. :-) .

If you're planning to help others spiritually, take some advice from someone who has quite a bit of experience doing the same, :-). Try not to negate others views so much, or so strongly, when speaking of their spiritual paths. There is no right way in spirituality. Different flavours for different tastes. You will quickly push away the very folks you want to help any other way. Respect all ways, respect all paths. Spiritual teachers, or wannabe spiritual teachers who profess to know the one true way, have little long term interest from the public. As that is plainly an ego thing. :-).

Intolerance has no part in spirituality, bro. Think about this.

Good luck, :-) .

Take care

[edit on 12-1-2009 by reiki]

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by cancerian42

In contrast I have never lived a "clean" lifestyle, I have always done all the things the new age folks are not supposed to do (smoking, drinking, eating meat, carousing etc...) and I have never been all that good at regular meditation either. But yet add odd times things will just "happen".

Just goes to show you life isn't fair, it just is.

yes I am the same. Ive never smoked but I do drink and eat red meat. I stay up late and although I do meditate Im not exact with the days and times I do it. Of late if it does not feel right to meditate I dont, I used to think I MUST meditate every day, now Im not so sure. I seem to get more out of it when I have breaks. Then ocassionally I will get moments of great connection and clarity, they dont happen every day, probably not even every month but when they do happen Im very grateful for them.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:13 AM
Im pretty new to ATS and am also going through a journey in which I hope to 'awake' and become enlightened. I recently started a thread (link below) and Id love to read any input any of you may have to contribute towards it. My aim is not only to aid myself in this journey but I would ultimately like it to become a good base to start from for anyone considering going on this journey but doesnt know where to start exactly!

All your views, tips and stories will be greatly appreciated and well received

Many Thanks

[edit on 12/1/09 by mrvalleyboy]

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 07:47 AM

Originally posted by HulaAnglers
Twelve Signs of Your Awakening Divinity


Thank you so much for posting these signs. I have read them before a while back but they went from my memory. Thank you for reminding me of them.

As I read them I see so much of my inner pain and struggle writen within them, Ive gone through a lot of them, not all but most.

Sudden feelings of deep sadness for no reason which often lead to crying also for no reason. When this initially happened to me it was so devestating I thought my very spirit had been ripped from me, I felt soul less, no feelings just absolute dispare. My family became very concerned for me and nearly took me to hospital. This was a very difficult stage to go through, to feel sad for no reason, to cry for no reason was very hard. I came through this mid 2008 and I now feel so much better, and have not experienced this again.

I have become withdrawen from my family but this is something I am now trying to reverse. Its not fair on them as I still have a responsability to them, this is what I meant when I said this journey can become a selfish one, we forget that the people around us still need us.

Oh dear sleep patterns Ive definatly suffered. For ages Id wake up at around 2am and feel completely awake for hours. This has recently returned and it feels like some sort of energy exchange is going on. I wake up later now say 4am but still with that wide awake feeling. This can make you very tired the next day.

Dreams of monsters, wars and battles Ive also had. Only last night I was hunting down monsters. Ive also had several dreams were I have actually been attacked by dark entities and the only way to escape them is to wake up.

Ive not felt lonely but Ive always enjoyed my own company, Im fine by myself I dont need lots and lots of people around me constantly.

The loss of passion and desire Ive felt only recently. This made my job very difficult to do, I lacked planning and self motivation. Also in my home life Ive just not being bothered with anything, which is just not like me, Ive always had lots of energy, able to do many tasks at once, fitted lots into one day, only to become a lifeless person with no drive. This was hard and I really did start to wonder how I was ever going to get my old drive back. Luckily I seem to have entered 2009 with a new burst of drive and energy, I hope this stage is over.

Yes Ive always had a deep longing to go home, I feel disconnected from my whole. Where exactly my home is I dont know but I ache to return some days. However of late I feel home may be returning to me as I feel it more within me than Ive ever felt before.

I would also like to add to these stages, a feeling of absolute love and light especially in the heart chakra and a constant ringing in the ears, especially the right ear.

I would just like to thank everyone for their replies, this thread has turned out to be one of the most helpfull ones Ive ever started and posted in. You all have shown great insight and an openess to share what is a very personal thing. I didnt realize at the time of starting this thread how much I really needed to read your opinions, you cant believe how much you've all helped me. I also hope others will find an energy within this thread that will help them too.

Thank you all.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Then, suddenly, you realize it is your skis that you had brought in from the garage. Your "enlightenment" the true and real awareness of what that thing you are looking at is, is sudden, in an instant.

That is a very good analogy!

I would also say debating this topic with athiests and others is sort of like arguing about the shape in the corner with 2 stoned friends. One guy will tell you there is no way you could KNOW what it is. It's dark, and he is pretty sure the thing in the corner is looking at him weird. The other guy won't even bother looking in the corner, he will just tell you that you are both tripping.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:30 AM
reply to post by HulaAnglers

Thank you, HulaAnglers, for so eloquently stating what is happening to a lot of people, things they do not understand, and no medico can explain to them. I myself as suffering from most of these symptoms, especially the longing to go home. I feel stranded here, trapped in a world that I cannot escape from as of yet, but a plan is forming. My body is old, and doesn't cooperate anymore to my satisfaction, even though my spirit is like new, only sad, and sometimes depressed at the way things have become, and how the Earth has been mostly destroyed by the military industrial complex doing their thing all over the land that was once pristine and new. Pay no attention to the nay sayers, they do not know of these things, and probably never will.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:32 AM
reply to post by Mr Green

For me, enlightenment is not sweating the small stuff, and realizing that it's all small stuff.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 09:52 AM
In Advaita Vedanta philosophy, Maya is the limited, purely physical and mental reality in which our everyday consciousness has become entangled. Maya is held to be an illusion, a veiling of the true, unitary Self — the Cosmic Spirit also known as Brahman. The concept of Maya was expounded in the Hindu scriptures known as the Upanishads. Many philosophies or religions seek to "pierce the veil" of Maya in order to glimpse the transcendent truth, from which the illusion of a physical reality springs, drawing from the idea that first came to life in the Hindu stream of Vedanta.

Dave Rabbit is our good freind

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 10:25 AM
reply to post by autowrench

I wish you well with all my heart, I love your avatar, you say your body is old, the damages do repair themselves if you have a quiet safe place and allow the reconstruction.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 10:43 AM
I believe/think if you have to ask if you/we are enlightened. Then we are not.

Do you get where I am coming from?
If not, you are not enlightened.

Are we ever gonna reach that "2001" moment "It's full of stars" I doubt it, almost like you can't know it all because there is too much to know.

Not that I totally believe in this stuff but there will have to be a major event to awaken our collective conscience before we can proceed to the next step.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 11:34 AM

Originally posted by putnam6
I believe/think if you have to ask if you/we are enlightened. Then we are not.

Do you get where I am coming from?
If not, you are not enlightened.

I realize that because I have to ask what actually is enligtenment, that I am not enligtened. This I am fine with and actually I am happy about.

Im not enlightened, Ive become awake to the prospect of enligtenment and now I have accepted what is happening to me, I am relaxed, more relaxed than Ive been since this started in late 2007.

I now accept I can do nothing about what is happening to me, that I should loose all fear and just go with this process and enjoy it, I should enjoy life, really enjoy life and try to stop analysing all that is happening to me. So what if I wake at 2am with my 3rd eye open fully for 2 hours with some strange energy blasting down it..I now accept this as part of my awakening and yes you are correct Im not enligtened!

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 11:58 AM
Enlightment or apocalypce is when we realize that it could of been different while soaking our feet in hot asteroid lava.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by putnam6
I believe/think if you have to ask if you/we are enlightened. Then we are not.

Do you get where I am coming from?
If not, you are not enlightened.

I realize that because I have to ask what actually is enligtenment, that I am not enligtened. This I am fine with and actually I am happy about.

Im not enlightened, Ive become awake to the prospect of enligtenment and now I have accepted what is happening to me, I am relaxed, more relaxed than Ive been since this started in late 2007.

I now accept I can do nothing about what is happening to me, that I should loose all fear and just go with this process and enjoy it, I should enjoy life, really enjoy life and try to stop analysing all that is happening to me. So what if I wake at 2am with my 3rd eye open fully for 2 hours with some strange energy blasting down it..I now accept this as part of my awakening and yes you are correct Im not enligtened!

Sorry if my response was a little terse,I didn't mean it that way( nor am I BTW). I agree with being more open minded,I've try hard not be "too set in my ways and beliefs"even though I have normally have strong opinions to the contrary. I do believe we can get there individually a whole heck of a lot easier than collectively.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 12:34 PM
It's not called 'The Maze,' for nothing!

Learn the Capstone Path.
Once in the Capstone, you will Draw The Sword From the Stone.

Not allegorical. Experiential.

posted on Jan, 12 2009 @ 12:41 PM
reply to post by Revolution-2012

The book is "Awareness by Anthony de Mello"

Your line about the 1000 fish reminded me of a passage out of the book

"The day you teach the child the name of a bird, the child will never see that bird again" How true! The first time the child sees that fluffy, alive, moving object, and you say to him "Sparrow" Then tomorrow when the child sees another fluffy, alive, moving object similar to it he says "Oh, sparrows, I've seen sparrows. I'm borde by Sparrows"

Anthony de Mello is so much like Eckhart Tolle, sadly Anthony passed away in 1987 but his powerful words live on. I have read both "The Power of Now" and "A New Earth" by Eckheart Tolle and thought they were brilliant. Anthony seems to add a little more humor and to me seemed more up to date than Eckheart's work even though it's 20+ years older. I cannot express how much all 3 books have helped me become more observant.

Big thanks to the people posting in this thread, there has been some great analogies and words of wisdom.

[edit on 12-1-2009 by psycho81]

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