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Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
Not even possible since the Jews who are the Israelis were "created" by God. It is then impossible for them to be descended from ANYTHING at all. God created Adam and ......etc.
Just so we remember what the Israelis are in fact claiming then consider that Israel is both a place and a religion. Naturally the smart bet is on evolution and so everyone is related out of Africa.
you will see that your claim of
en.wikipedia.org...:Map_of_Assyria.png
is correct only by modern standards.In the past the Jews were closer to the land you wrongly associate with all Arabs.
In fact as it stands Jews are from the north of the fertile crescent, modern day Israel, while the Palestinian Arabs are to the south. Meaning Palestinians are closer to the Arab nations bordering Israel than to Israel itself.
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed in Palestinians and Bedouin. These haplotypes and their one-step microsatellite neighbors constitute a substantial portion of the total Palestinian (29%) and Bedouin (37.5%) Y chromosome pools and were not found in any of the non-Arab populations in the present study. The peripheral position of the modal haplotypes, with few links in the network (fig. 5), suggests that the Arab-specific chromosomes are a result of recent gene flow.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Originally posted by Moreonethananyone
reply to post by Spaxz
Thats not intirely accurate,when the Jews gained statehood, the palistinains were offered the same but refused if the Jews were getting it to.
Hey do you think you could find a source for that? Please???
Its not byond reality that today's Israeli peoples and today's Palestine peoples are distant cousins and most likely, if it were possible to trace family lineage, to find many of them fighting each other right now, are fighting their own relatives, and it would not surprise me one bit that they too realize that..both the Israeli's and Palestinians.
Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by Netzar
Exactly my point, people fail to understand that the people living in the Westbank and Gaza (known as Palestinians) are nothing more than proxy combatants used by Arab nations. What better way to continue the struggle against a sovereign nation then to have a group of stranded refugees fighting for your cause. Did you know that the king of Jordan is married to a Palestinian woman? There is no difference at all between the people bordering Israel, the Arabs, and the so-called Palestinian people.
Genetic evidence proves that the most recent and dominate (because the Y-chromosome is only half of the 23 chromosomes) genes in the so-called Palestinian people are of Arabic origin. The people currently living in the westbank are closer to the south of the fertile crescent (Saudi Arabia) then they are to the north (Israel). By genetic testing it has been proved that Jews belong to the north of the fertile crescent which comprises modern day Israel. Thus, you must ask yourself well if there is no difference between the Palestinian people and Arabs what claim do they have to commit acts of terrorism?
If Israel never existed there would never be a nation called Palestine. The land of Israel would clearly be divided between Syria, Egypt, and Jordan.
Look to my original post (OP) for the reference and genetic links.
To the others who think they have "figured it out", I have already gone over every post you make. Pepsi and I have already debated all the facets and each one I clearly proved him wrong.
If you are having some trouble understanding the genetic side of the debate please ask someone with some sort of knowledge before you start making your own assumptions.
The full part:
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed in Palestinians and Bedouin. These haplotypes and their one-step microsatellite neighbors constitute a substantial portion of the total Palestinian (29%) and Bedouin (37.5%) Y chromosome pools and were not found in any of the non-Arab populations in the present study. The peripheral position of the modal haplotypes, with few links in the network (fig. 5), suggests that the Arab-specific chromosomes are a result of recent gene flow. Historical records describe tribal migrations from Arabia to the southern Levant in the Byzantine period, migrations that reached their climax with the Muslim conquest 633–640 a.d.; Patrich 1995). Indeed, Arab-specific haplotypes have been observed at significant frequencies in Muslim Arabs from Sena (56%) and the Hadramaut (16%) in the Yemen (Thomas et al. 2000). Thus, although Y chromosome data of Arabian populations are limited, it seems very likely that populations from the Arabian Peninsula were the source of these chromosomes. The genetic closeness, in classical protein markers, of Bedouin to Yemenis and Saudis (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994) supports an Arabian origin of the Bedouin. The alternative explanation for the distribution of the Arab-specific haplotypes (i.e., random genetic drift) is unlikely. It is difficult to imagine that the different populations in the Yemen and the southern Levant, in which Arab-specific chromosomes have been detected at moderate-to-high frequencies, would have drifted in the same direction.
To the others who think they have "figured it out", I have already gone over every post you make. Pepsi and I have already debated all the facets and each one I clearly proved him wrong. If you are having some trouble understanding the genetic side of the debate please ask someone with some sort of knowledge before you start making your own assumptions.
Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
This is an interesting thread. It fails to account for the reality that it was in fact the British who took the entire area from the Ottoman Empire (The Turks) who held that area for 700ish years prior to the British. Ironically, the British proclaimed that area (through the League of Nations) the British Mandate for Palestine. In fact it looked like this (I see no area named Israel in this map)...
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[edit on 11-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]
Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by ravenshadow13
Please don't listen to magnum he is going off on some stupid tangent. Nobody is talking about god giving land to the Jews. The whole thread that I started is only coming from a genetic and political view.
To the others who think they have "figured it out", I have already gone over every post you make. Pepsi and I have already debated all the facets and each one I clearly proved him wrong. If you are having some trouble understanding the genetic side of the debate please ask someone with some sort of knowledge before you start making your own assumptions.