The Business Plot (Takeover of the White House)- 1933

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Yep, it sure seems that is all connected. Keep those eys open

The White Hose Putsch, as it has been called, has been written about, in quite a few popular books on Conspiracies. The latest book, I believe, is :

The 80 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time: History's Biggest Mysteries, Coverups, and Cabals By Jonathan Vankin, John Whalen Published by Citadel Press, 2004 ISBN 0806525312, 9780806525310

It is conspiracy #44 in the book. I read about it over 30 years ago, in one of the earlier books on little known conspiracies. If you're interested in conspiracies, and who isn't on ATS, you might want to get the book.

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Thank you, I have been looking for some good reading on conspiracy theories. I will be sure to check it out, thanks.

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If you perform a Google search exactly as shown below:

The 80 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time 1933 Butler

It will actually take you to page 338. Go back one page, and you're at the beginning of chapter 44, which details the entire plot.

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Wow, I really liked that very detailed and just explains the whole plot in lay mans terms. Thanks for the add-on. Star for you.

Your theory is incorrect.


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Another good book is "IBM and the Holocuast". It describes in detail how IBM, Watson and his executives, collaborated with Hitler in the 1930's to catalog, then help keep track of extermination of the Jews. It was a huge NY Times bestseller, and it shows how big corporations sell their soul for a buck.

From what little bit I have read on this here in this thread, my first thought is maybe they did not succeed with that initial try, but tried again in another way, I.e. Be either outright winning an election or by buying one. As to the Maxwell heir, his wife inherited land next to me and he dove hunts there. It may be a while before I see him again unless he just drops in to check on the land. If I see him, ill definitely try to ask him about his grandfather. My thought is those who were connected back then, are those who are in power today!

Originally posted by ShiningLight
Your theory is incorrect.

How original! Join, flame, rinse, repeat. Off to the videogame message boards with you.

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As to the Maxwell heir, his wife inherited land next to me and he dove hunts there. It may be a while before I see him again unless he just drops in to check on the land. If I see him, ill definitely try to ask him about his grandfather. My thought is those who were connected back then, are those who are in power today!

They sure are. The elections are merely bread and circuses for the people. The real powers lie behind the stage, pulling all the strings. Call it the NWO, the Bilderbergers, whatever, they are the true rulers of the country and the world. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is fact. All you need to do is follow the money trail, look at who is on the boards of directors of major corporations and you will see their shadows.

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Absolutly they are a great example of that is the Bush's look at them, the Rothschilds, and every other big name. Its all connected, but for finding the dots is hard to do. Lets see what else we can dig up, the 1920's through the 1950's is were we probably need to focus that time period sure did uncover a lot of stuff like the Busines Plot.

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Absolutly they are a great example of that is the Bush's look at them, the Rothschilds, and every other big name. Its all connected, but for finding the dots is hard to do. Lets see what else we can dig up, the 1920's through the 1950's is were we probably need to focus that time period sure did uncover a lot of stuff like the Busines Plot.

Here is some information for you. Again, it deals with collaboration with Hitler and the Nazis. National Socialism, of course, relies on corporations for its real power, and since we are heading towards National Socialism in the US very quickly, let's look at the corporations involved with Hitler. When I post this external source, you will be shocked, I believe, when you see what corporations were involved. (Hint- they are the ones getting bailed out now)

www.ranknfile-ue.org...

Today, with corporate power magnified by the global economy and its international trade agreements, it is worthwhile to reflect on the behavior of "American" corporations at a time when fascism threatened to plunge the world into an anti-human abyss. The experiences of 60 years ago are a potent reminder of corporate power and greed that transcends national borders or patriotic allegiances. Writing about the Big Three automakers’ dealings with Nazi Germany, Bradford Snell observed: "these firms retained the economic and political power to affect the shape of governmental relations both within and between these nations in a manner which maximized corporate global profits. In short, there were private governments unaccountable to the citizens of any country yet possessing tremendous influence over the course of war and peace in the world." Bringing corporate power to account remains the task of the world’s citizens today.

Nineteen Forty-Six: Not for the first time and not for the last, the giant General Electric Co. found itself in federal court on charges of violating anti-trust law. The U.S. government charged GE and a corporate ally with conspiracy to monopolize a market, raise prices and drive out competitors. But this was no ordinary anti-trust case. The year following the end of World War II, GE stood accused of criminal conspiracy with Krupp, a major German munitions firm. Their partnership artificially raised the cost of U.S. defense preparations while helping to subsidize Hitler’s rearmament of Germany. The arrangement continued even after Nazi tanks smashed into Poland. GE was not alone among U.S. big business in having cordial, profitable arrangements with the corporations of Nazi Germany. Kodak, DuPont and Shell Oil are also known to have had business dealing with Germany. Due to a recent reparations case, the activities of General Motors and Ford are the most well known. And the cases are instructive: "It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel — a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary ..." GM and Ford, through their subsidiaries, controlled 70 percent of the German automobile market when war broke out in 1939. Those companies "rapidly retooled themselves to become suppliers of war materiel to the Germany army," writes Michael Dobbs in the Washington Post. "When American GIs invaded Europe in June 1944, they did so in jeeps, trucks and tanks manufactured by the Big Three motor companies in one of the largest crash militarization programs ever undertaken," observes Dobbs. "It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover that the enemy was also driving trucks manufactured by Ford and Opel — a 100 percent GM-owned subsidiary — and flying Opel-built warplanes." The major U.S. automakers (including Chrysler) established multinational operations as early as the 1920s and 1930s, locating plants in Germany, eastern Europe and Japan.

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FRIEND OF THE FUHRER It wasn’t all strictly business. Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite, formed a kind of mutual admiration society with Adolf Hitler. The German dictator enthusiastically applauded American mass-production techniques. "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," declared Hitler, who kept a life-size portrait of the American industrialist next to his desk. In 1938, Ford accepted the highest medal that Nazi Germany could award a foreigner, the Grand Cross of the German Eagle. Ford had a role in Nazi Germany’s prewar military buildup. U.S. Army Intelligence reported that the "real purpose" of the truck assembly plant opened in Berlin in 1938 was to produce "troop transport-type vehicles for the Wehrmacht (German military). A senior executive of General Motors also received a medal from Hitler, apparently for services rendered, and services to come. GM’s involvement in Germany began in 1935 with the opening of a truck factory near Berlin. Within a few years trucks produced by that factory would be part of German Army convoys rumbling through Poland, France and the Soviet Union. A senior executive of General Motors also received a medal from Hitler, apparently for services rendered, and services to come. After the German occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1939, GM Chairman Alfred P. Sloan commented that the Nazis’ behavior "should not be considered the business of the management of General Motors." The GM plant in Germany was highly profitable. "We have no right to shut down that plant," Sloan declared. TRUCKS FOR TYRANNY GM and Ford were vital components of the Nazi war effort. German Ford was the second largest producer of trucks for the Nazi military. GM’s plants built thousands of bomber and jet fighter propulsion systems for the Luftwaffe — while at the same time profiting from production of aircraft engines for the U.S. Army Air Corps. "The outbreak of war in September 1939 resulted inevitably in the full conversion by GM and Ford of their Axis plants to the production of military aircraft and trucks," according to a 1974 report printed by the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. "On the ground, GM and Ford subsidiaries built nearly 90 percent of the armored ‘mule’ 3-ton half-trucks and more than 70 percent of the Reich’s medium and heavy-duty trucks. These vehicles, according to American intelligence reports, served as ‘the backbone of the German Army transportation system.’" "General Motors was far more important to the Nazi war machine than Switzerland," says researcher Bradford Snell. "Switzerland was just a repository of looted funds, while GM was an integral part of the German war effort. The Nazis could have invaded Poland and Russia without Switzerland. They could not have done so without GM." GOING ALONG 'The Nazis could not have invaded Poland and Russia without GM' Company officials have maintained that the Hitler government took over their German plants and that they "lost control" of the situation. But documents discovered in German and American archives show that in some cases, American managers of both Ford and GM seem to have gone along with the conversion of those plants to military production. "When American GIs liberated the Ford plants in Cologne and Berlin, they found destitute foreign workers confined behind barbed wire and company documents extolling the ‘genius of the Fuhrer,’" writes Michael Dobbs. Shamelessly, after the war both GM and Ford demanded reparations from the U.S. government for damage to their German plants caused by Allied bombing. In 1967, GM was compensated with $33 million from the U.S. government for the American bombing of its Russelsheim plant. GE GOES GLOBAL EARLY Compared to Ford and General Motors, GE’s involvement appears less overt and extensive than that of the automakers. But it is nonetheless instructive, showing GE’s more complex relationship to the Third Reich. As early as 1904, GE began joining forces with major foreign "competitors" to carve up world markets for crucial goods and technologies. In that year GE reached agreement with AEG (Allgemeine Elektricitäts Gesellschaft). The following year GE established a relationship with Tokyo Electric. GE’s early alliance with German firms was only temporarily disrupted by World War I. GE acquired 16 percent of AEG stock and placed four of its officials on the AEG board. It also obtained a stake in Siemens, Germany’s other big electrical manufacturing company. GE’s patent agreements and minority stock ownership with German and Japanese corporations protected the domestic market while gaining access to foreign markets. It was GE’s conspiracy with the German steel company Krupp that affected the U.S. war effort and dragged the company into a New York courtroom. Both GE and Krupp had patents for tungsten carbide, a hard metal composition valued for its use in cutting dies and machining metal. Neither company’s patents were good enough to set up a monopoly. But jointly they could influence the world market. Discussions between GE and Krupp began in April 1928. A GE representative asserted that his company’s willingness to enter new lines of business was dependent upon "the extent to which they can discourage competition." Eight months later they had an agreement which allowed GE the right to fix prices. GE set up a separate subsidiary, Carboloy, to handle the business. Immediately, the price of tungsten carbide went from $48 to $453 a pound. A GE representative asserted that his company’s willingness to enter new lines of business was dependent upon "the extent to which they can discourage competition." GE used the agreement to cripple — or buy out — domestic competitors. When the head of American Cutting Alloys appealed to GE to be permitted to remain in business, he was told by a GE official: "It seems rather obvious to me that five suppliers in the American market all supplying carbides is a better situation than six suppliers." In its agreement with Krupp, GE agreed to sell tungsten carbide (also known as carboloy) only in the western hemisphere, and to pay royalties to Krupp. Gustav Krupp, owner of the company, was a major corporate backer of Adolf Hitler. Both before and after Hitler’s rise to power, GE’s royalties indirectly subsidized the Nazis. In 1935, as the U.S. government began defense preparations, tungsten carbide (at GE’s prices) was regarded as too expensive.

AGREED TO PROTECT THE NAZIS On Dec. 11, 1939 (nine weeks after the Hitler attack on Poland), the representative of International General Electric cabled from Berlin to GE official Dr. Zay Jeffries: "Our friends at Osram Co. [a German lighting company linked to GE] informed me yesterday that Krupp would be interested in capitalizing the royalties now being received from Carboloy... In this connection, Dr. Louis (a Krupp official) has asked for an appointment with me in Zurich where we shall both be next week. They are quite anxious that the Krupp name be kept out of correspondence, particularly telegrams that might reach improper hands and therefore I shall refer to them in the future either as the European licensor under Carboloy contract or simply as Dr. Louis..." "The ‘improper hands’ could be either the United States government or the governments of Europe which had been attacked by Hitler," reported the UE NEWS in 1948. "GE agreed to protect the Nazis. For every pound of the material sold in the U.S., Hitler through Krupp was getting royalties with which he bought more munitions. "In 1940, with the American defense moves in full swing, GE was still reporting to the Nazi representatives, now stationed in Zurich, Switzerland, how much tungsten carbide was being used in the United States. GE paid royalties to the Nazis on every pound used here. That was money for the Hitler war chest." In other words, Hitler was getting 12 pounds of tungsten carbide at the price the U.S. government was getting one pound. For every pound of the material sold in the U.S., Hitler through Krupp was getting royalties with which he bought more munitions. In 1940, with Europe at war, Krupp arranged to have its royalties from GE collected by a Swiss go-between. BUSTED As late as August 1940, nearly a year after Hitler attacked Poland, GE was seeking renewal of its monopoly agreement with Krupp. But the GE-Krupp deal came to an end as a result of a lawsuit — and an embargo the U.S. government clamped on shipment of money to the Nazis. The Firth-Sterling Steel Co., which sought to sell shell turning blanks to the U.S. Army, Frankford Arsenal, ran afoul of GE’s price levels and complained to the U.S. Justice Dept. In September 1940, the UE NEWS reported that two federal anti-trust indictments had been returned against GE and the Krupp company, charging them with having conspired to maintain worldwide monopoly in the production and sale of tungsten carbide. U.S. entry into World War II interrupted the proceedings, however.

The "Big 3" ride again.

The criminal history (and present) of America's leading family is increasingly well documented but insufficiently disseminated. I hope for this reason to be forgiven long quotes:

There is no historic parallel that can be drawn, nothing compares with the accomplishments of the Bush family. No dictator or tyrant can equal the suffering and destruction they have wrought on humanity, as they are not mere tyrants themselves, but the makers and breakers of tyrants, the organizers and profiteers of war and death. They are not alone and solely responsible for creating the present day military industrial complex, however since 1915 the Bush family has been directly involved in World War One and Two, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, numerous CIA secret wars, the Gulf War, and now a “Never Ending War”. The past four generations of this one family have had a hand in promoting and profiting from most of the major wars that America has waged since the beginning of the industrialized age.

Schuyler Ebbets, Globalresearch

Every great family has its scandal. The Bush family's scandal is that they funded Hitler and profited from the Holocaust.

John Loftus

...newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his 'enemy national' partners

John Buchanan

...in 1942, the U.S. government seized the Walker-Bush Nazi assets under the Trading With the Enemy Act. But the well-connected clan managed to bury the news in the back pages: brief mentions of the companies involved, but no names of the Establishment grandees behind them. They also pulled strings to keep their American assets from being seized as well, even though the profits from these enterprises were inextricably mixed with their Nazi loot. Prescott later cashed in these tainted assets for millions, a nest egg that helped launch him into the Senate and his son and grandson into the White House.

Chris Floyd

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media (except for the July 31, 1942 editions of the New York Herald and Washington Post.) The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes.

Russ Baker's new book Family of Secrets has been very well received and is currently voted 5 stars by all 8 customer reviewers at Amazon. I haven't read it yet so can't say if it throws any light on the fascist takeover plot.

How did Bush happen? How did George W. Bush, of all people, rise to the most powerful position in the world? This simple question sparked a five-year investigative odyssey by Russ Baker. What he found will force us to rethink virtually everything we thought we knew about the Bush family and its role in shaping recent American history.

Baker reveals that Bush, the people around him, and his policies are but an extreme, very public manifestation of what his family and its circle have always been about: an interlocking web of covert and overt machinations on behalf of a small cluster of elites-social, financial, industrial, military, intelligence-that enabled the Bush dynasty and propelled George W. Bush to the top.

Russ Baker’s deep background profile of the Bushes reveals a family with ongoing connections to the shadow world of intelligence, utilizing the dark arts of the trade to achieve their positions at the pinnacle of America’s political elite. Baker lays bare the stealth substructure that created the Bush dynasty, powered its rise, and brought America to its current state of crisis. Given the disastrous results of the last eight years, the story Baker has uncovered is must reading today-because the forces that shaped the Bush dynasty remain powerful and capable of exerting enormous influence on the fate of the country and the world.

Does anyone here believe they live in a democracy?

Edit: to apologize for off topic post - driven by rage and despair.



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Does anyone here believe they live in a democracy?

Only the foolish would believe such a thing, and most of us, are not fools.

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There is another book on the Bush family and its connections to the Nazis and other known terrorists:

THE BUSH CONNECTION
By Erik Orion
www.rense.com...

The Bush Connection is an amazing, non-fiction, copyright protected history book that details the Bush Family's connection to SS Nazi war criminals and other known terrorists. The book reveals never before published Bush Family secrets' and photos. See never before published photos of George H.W. Bush & Barbara Bush with SS Nazi's Otto Skorzeny, Martin Bormann, Dr. Josef Mengele, Reinhardt Gehlen and more. Photos and information were provided by Hitler's SS Nazi bodyguard / CIA commando Otto Skorzeny. Skorzeny was acquitted of war crimes at the Nuremburg Trials. He was not a wanted Nazi war criminal after WWII. Skorzeny co-founded the CIA with Wild Bill Donovan and George HW Bush! Skorzeny led the U.S.'s illegal Operation Paperclip and the ODESSA which hid and protected SS Nazi war criminals. Skorzeny faked Hitler's death & his own death in1975! Learn the identity and see the only photo in existence of Adolph Hitler after his alleged suicide. Hitler lived to be the oldest man in America until he died at the age of 114 years in 2/2004 in the Bethesda, MD Naval Hospital. Learn the identity and see never before published photos of the San Francisco Zodiac Killer, The Boston Strangler and the real 2001 Anthrax Mailer Killer. All three have never been caught. All three are the same madman. SS Nazi war criminal terrorist CIA assassin, Doctor Josef Mengele! See never before published photos and learn the American aliases of the CIA's most beloved SS Nazi war criminal

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Awesome guys keep up the great work star for all of you, lets get all these families connected somehow, I will return tomorrow to look for connections between everyone we named. Lets expose who we can and shed some light on the NWO.

you know FDR was assassinated? They say he died of a brain anurism and that his last words were, "I have a terrific headache", but evidence shows that he suffered a shot to the head and that there was a coverup.