The Business Plot (Takeover of the White House)- 1933

The information in this thread is very much true. The History Channel did a story on this thread a couple of years ago or so and it was based on a book that I saw at the Library here in Schenectady, New York. The Marine Corps General at the Center of the Controversy, General Smedley Butler, although no lover of FDR himself, at least respected the US system of Government enough to not only not fall for the plot, but actually got a reporter whose name escapes me right now to write up a series of articles about the plot and to forward some of the information he garnered during his talks with the US Business men to certain members of congress to let them know of the plot. Congress held hearings on Smedley Butlers information and, although it refused to name some of the names of the people in the plot itself, confirmed that there was more than enough true information in what General Smedley Butler was saying to issue a Congressional Report about the affair. And this Marine Corps General Smedley Butler was something of a character himself who, although a critic of Franklin Delano Roosevelt himself, at least respected the chain of command himself and the constitution enough to not fall for the plot to overthrow both. I think he deserves a lot of credit and deserves to be called a hero for what he did.

This is a followup to my previous post to this thread. The book that I had read from the Schenectady County Library is called "The Plot To Seize The Whitehouse." and it was written by Jules Archer and was publshe in 1973 by a New York publishing Company called 'Hawthorne Books.' I do not know if the book is still in print. Others might want to find out for themselves if it is. But that is what I know of the Busieness Plot to seize the Whitehouse.

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Not sure if your questions were answered yet but Kerry's wife, Teresa, is the widow of a Heinz and still uses the name.

That is why I call the bailout scam:"The Revenge of Prescott Bush" all those families involved should have been convicted for treason but I guess FDR had his reasons.

Further Reading

Wikipedia page
huppi page
Discuss Anything

These are the sources that I found, of course Wikipedia is just a base. I like the first post in discussanything because it directs to more sources. I'm still looking into this, I just thought I'd gather some links for you guys before I start piecing everything else together.

I am not sure that this has been discussed - however:

The movie The Corporation (an absolute MUST WATCH) opened my eyes to the idea that capitalist America is very keen to own everything, very. Further there is strong sense of tradition in America starting with the founding fathers of limited government, and of course, the power of capitalism, the puritan spirit and of course the free market.

All of these combine to create a natural state in America in which corporate control of the white seems a natural state of affairs, in deed couple this with neo conservative ideals of quick decisive action and doing whatever it takes to acheive the means of maintaining american supremacy at home and abroad especially through circumnavigating the cumbersome mechanisms of international law and domestic constitutional red tape then you have a VERY powerful argument and basis for governing society - indeed to the world - through corporations.

Indeed there would be almost NO need for a war, or military coup, as the world is ALREADY at this point. With institutions such as the UN completely ineffective and the government ham strung by intellectual amoebas while the congress and senate are completely controlled by the K-Street Gang and their lobbyists in the Capitol while at home the division of production (consider the B52 stealth bomber which has production in every state) ensures control of senators fromt he state perspective.

My theory has long been that the Bush adminstrations goals have been to simply bankrupt the government, in so doing private institutions be they global or domestic, banking or otherwise would then be in a position to "step in" and assume control through a benevolent gesture of providing the services required whilest country is in turmoil.

The banking bailout is the last straw in this process - it matters not who is in control Obama or otherwise as there is simply nothing which can be done.

There is simply NO denying that America is Bankrupt, the world is slowly but surely coming to this conclusion and are starting to turn their backs, and despite the parochial view of many of you there will be no world wide collapse - we are already experiencing the effects of american failure, total failure is only another inch on the scale.

The resulting "bankruptcy" will mean that no government can take over without having to honour the debts of the government, howver private enterprises would be able to assume the mantle with a clean slate.

Hope you enjoyed the read -

Its all interesting and makes one wonder will it happen again?

Look around you. It HAS happened. Corporate America just took a different tactic and managed to take over without firing a shot. They installed 2 predecessors from their own top brass (Bush and kiddy Bush), and then robbed us all. or did you really think the 'bailout' was for real.......

Its all very true and I appricate everyone adding great sources and answering questions. Now let see if we can get some sort of tree going on that can connect some families to the business plot.

We know that Butler stated that the American Liberty League was the primary means of funding the plot.

The Big Backer were:

Du Pont family, as well as leaders of U.S. Steel, General Motors, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.

The Plotters were:

Owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott. And probably many more with the backers listed above.

The American Liberty League was a U.S. organization formed in 1934 by conservative Democrats such as Al Smith (the 1928 Democratic presidential nominee), Jouett Shouse (former high party official and U.S. Representative), John W. Davis (the 1924 Democratic presidential nominee), and John Jacob Raskob (former Democratic National Chairman and the foremost opponent of prohibition), Dean Acheson (future Secretary of State under Harry Truman), along with many industrialists, notably Prescott Bush and members of the Du Pont family.

The League stated that it would work to "defend and uphold the Constitution" and to "foster the right to work, earn, save and acquire property." The League spent between $500,000 and $1.5 million in promotional campaigns; its funding came mostly from the Du Pont family, as well as leaders of U.S. Steel, General Motors, General Foods, Standard Oil, Birdseye, Colgate, Heinz Foods, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. It reached over 125,000 members and supported the Republicans in 1936.

Some job they did in holding up the constitution, they tried to take it down. With all these corporations that we still do business with today. Its fascinating. In many of my reads I keep running across Mussolini and how Mussolni was studied in his Facist country. They barely mention Hitler, its odd maybe someone struck a deal with Mussolini somewhere down the line?

Ok lets see who we can connect with the companies and see who else falls into place.

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by Britguy

 

Wow I cannot wait to dive into reading that. It really looks interesting. I appreciate everyone's contribution to this thread and let keep it growing.


Teresa Heinz Kerry is married to John Kerry, who ran against President Bush. Now here's the wierd thing: John Kerry and Bush are both apart of the Skull and Bones society and Bush's Grandpa (Prescott) worked with the owners of Heinz to overthrow FDR (as stated above), but here's something wierd: Kerry and Bush are both connected through the skull and bones and connected by family to the Business Plot. Coincidence?

I won't disclose how, but, I know what the Skull & Bones Oath is. While I can't recall it ver batim right off hand, according to the European Commandary's Instructions to the American General Commandary of the Order's guidebook for the Illustrious Order of the I. ( written Ill. Ordr % tt I - or referred therein simply as the IOI- in the thick Warder's guidebook issued circa late 1960's) which covers over 50+ Order's (excepting a well known college Greek fraternity as it was too publically known and therefore a risk so it was dropped from the Charter of the Orders in the early 1960's), which also included interesting instructions for the induction of members and seperation of lodges depending on initiates responses to ceremonies
(Ie: Mason's and the like who refuse to sacrilage flags, crosses, the Lord's Prayer, etc. were told they passed, that doing the opposite they would have failed, and are are ushered on to the "blue lodge", while those who assented to the sacrilage of symbols of faith and pride were told they passed as they had an open mind ready for change, and that doing otherwise would have been a disqualifier, and are ushered into private, darker, inner circles of power. This kept each group seperate and ignorant of the other. The former goes on to public and benevolent works, the other goes on to private and sinister works.)
As it relates here, the Oath to the Order of Skull and Bones swears the allegiant, upon pain of death, to put the Order and the Brotherhood above God, Country, Friends, and Family, and the Oath is to take precedence over all other Oaths, past, present, and future. This precedence is to include any Oath of Office to the Public Trust and Oaths before any Court. In fact, no matter whom they pledge to serve or what agreement or contract they enter, it is potentially, null and void, if it ever impedes the interests of the Order or the Brotherhood of it's members.
If admission to being a member of Skull & Bones isn't an admission to Treason and Religious Heresy, then I don't know what is. They say, I'll give you evidence if you first prove to me that the LORD be first served. I wonder what LORD these people serve. Iwonder why Churches allow thes e people to be members. You'd think it be grounds for denial or excommunication of membership automatically.
Wealth, Power, and secrecy. The trick to their undoing is to simply, not tell them your secrets as they guard theirs from you and to stop working for their companies and buying their stuff. How many brand name products appear to compete all while making $$$ for the Umbrella organization which houses the affiliates, as well as, the parent companies of each brand all under one united roof like BUNGE. No Weapon, No Murder, No Money, No power. Make their enemies Rich and you will empower yourself. If they overthrew America, you simply peacably overthrow them by supporting their competition. That's the true power and force of capitalism, it works whether your Country's Capitalist or not. It's how all Men gain Power, Wealth, and everything else. Simple bullying is not enough. Mind Control without an aim is directionless. Knowledge without Wisdom is a needle in a haystack to find what you need to know exactly when you don't know. But, the enemy of my enemy will always be my friend and best recourse. Top families in America tick you off? Turn to the relatives that hate them.

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Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by 1curious1

 

Absolutly they are a great example of that is the Bush's look at them, the Rothschilds, and every other big name. Its all connected, but for finding the dots is hard to do. Lets see what else we can dig up, the 1920's through the 1950's is were we probably need to focus that time period sure did uncover a lot of stuff like the Busines Plot.

Don't forget the Clinton's. I like how they hide that Nancy Pelosi is Bill's cousin.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheMythLives

 

Here is some information for you. Again, it deals with collaboration with Hitler and the Nazis. National Socialism, of course, relies on corporations for its real power, and since we are heading towards National Socialism in the US very quickly, let's look at the corporations involved with Hitler. When I post this external source, you will be shocked, I believe, when you see what corporations were involved. (Hint- they are the ones getting bailed out now)

I wonder if they really need or needed bailing out. What better way for these criminal syndicates and families who run our lives to launder vast amounts of money right before our eyes? It's like military, supply policy dictates that only new contractors and companies can be used by them to stimulate new business in America. These companies or contractors- false or not- have to bid for the government military contracts, typically, any contractor or company who has been in business over five years or who has already been contracted before do not retain priority over the new upstarts. These bidders are legally required to make honest accurate bid assessments and and sign a contract saying so upon submitting a bid application. Then the lowest or reasonably near lowest, but, presumably better quality contractors or companies are to be approved for the contracts. So how is it that the military knowingly takes false and inflated bids on almost every aspect of it's contracts parts, service, product, or other types of contracts, when a layman doesn't even need an oversigfht review to see the law is perpetually violated and then have the audacity to claim it is politics and the law which has their hands tied. And they are not alone. NASA's $20,000 wrenches are a blatant violation of federal contract laws, yet, we see the abuses everywhere. Is it that the proper authorities can't do anything, or won't do anything, or, is it possible they're afraid to do anything.
Do these companies really need bailing out, or are we seeing, falsified books, and watching the public mobsters transferring wealth to already wealthy industries. If they really are as bankrupt as they claim, isn't it only because they took a loss on profits that customarily range in the billions. Wouldn't they real solution be to downsize the companies and/ or costs to accomadate profits in the millions or hundreds range instead of feeling and acting as though they deserve to maintain a billion dollar and growing annual industry. Should the law requiring Corporations to make a profit make an exception allowing the Corporation that has outgrown itself to downsize and take a hit on profit margins to maintain the security and life of the Corporation. These folks aren't idiots, entirely, they know what their doing.
Bailouts, you say. Money Laundering, I say.

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reply to post by TheMythLives


I would lke to know who they had in mind to "ride in on the white horse" and take control away from Rosevelt? Who was going to installed as dictator??

reply to post by PhyberDragon


100% I agree with you, this bailout is for a hidden agenda. The war on Iraq was for oil, not liberation. The new war with Israel and Gaza (Well not new). If I remember correctly Rockefeller said something very interesting:

David Rockefeller: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the NWO."

The elites always spew, 'hey we are the NWO and guess what, I want to see you try and stop us.'

REPLY TO: PhyberDragon

Wow that was interesting, I don't think I want to know how you came by that info and I believe you should make your own thread about the oath. Very Interesting star for you.

Nancy Palosei is Clintons cousin. Wow, I did not know that more information added. I know Bill Clinton and George Bush Senior are close and I wonder if that bond was formed a long long time ago? Now Hilary has a spot in the white house close to Obama. Wow it seems that once one family gets out of the white house another one of there friends enters the house. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama (Clinton Cabinet and Hillary Clinton in a high cabinet spot). Power sure has not changed a whole lot.

reply to post by TheMythLives

I did some research on this story not too long ago. The New York Times did have a couple of stories at the time talking about Major General Butler’s behind closed door testimony to a congressional panel of inquiry.

The New York Times articles painted Major General Smedley Darlington Butler as a budding lunatic who had been manipulated into giving false and outrageously speculative testimony and assailed his mental faculties. Those stories had a lasting impact on his public reputation for the remainder of his life.

This is one of the stories from the New York Times published in 1934

November 21, 1934, Wednesday

This is the testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives, Special Committee on Un-American Activities, Investigation of Nazi Propaganda Activities and Investigation of Certain Other Propaganda Activities by U.S. House of Representatives, 73rd Congress, 2nd Session, as heard by the McCormack-Diskstein Committee in 1933, including previously deleted and suppressed testimony.

McCormack-Diskstein Committee


Legend has it that General Butler made great strides restoring his reputation by taking it upon him self to place his story with small town newspapers across the country who printed it at the time. For a downtrodden country reeling from the midst of a Great Depression it was hardly any more earth shattering than their empty stomachs or cardboard shack homes. Generally most thought Butler was involved in an attempt to slander the powers that be for failure to pay the Bonuses due the Bonus Army of World War I and for passing him over for Marine Core Commandant.

This was a fascinating story that is little known about. The powers that be, the Rockefellers, Morgans, Mellons, DuPonts et al, really considered Roosevelt to be one of their own and thought by applying enough pressure on him he would return to the fold. In my research I discovered that before they even launched the coup the powers that be had privately offered Roosevelt to end the depression overnight, by employing all of America’s unemployed in menial Labor Camps they had already set up for that very purpose! If true even back in the early thirties the powers that be had a camp system available to them privately in case of emergency!

Originally posted by audas
I am not sure that this has been discussed - however:

The movie The Corporation (an absolute MUST WATCH) opened my eyes to the idea that capitalist America is very keen to own everything, very. Further there is strong sense of tradition in America starting with the founding fathers of limited government, and of course, the power of capitalism, the puritan spirit and of course the free market.

All of these combine to create a natural state in America in which corporate control of the white seems a natural state of affairs, in deed couple this with neo conservative ideals of quick decisive action and doing whatever it takes to acheive the means of maintaining american supremacy at home and abroad especially through circumnavigating the cumbersome mechanisms of international law and domestic constitutional red tape then you have a VERY powerful argument and basis for governing society - indeed to the world - through corporations.

Indeed there would be almost NO need for a war, or military coup, as the world is ALREADY at this point. With institutions such as the UN completely ineffective and the government ham strung by intellectual amoebas while the congress and senate are completely controlled by the K-Street Gang and their lobbyists in the Capitol while at home the division of production (consider the B52 stealth bomber which has production in every state) ensures control of senators fromt he state perspective.

My theory has long been that the Bush adminstrations goals have been to simply bankrupt the government, in so doing private institutions be they global or domestic, banking or otherwise would then be in a position to "step in" and assume control through a benevolent gesture of providing the services required whilest country is in turmoil.

The banking bailout is the last straw in this process - it matters not who is in control Obama or otherwise as there is simply nothing which can be done.

There is simply NO denying that America is Bankrupt, the world is slowly but surely coming to this conclusion and are starting to turn their backs, and despite the parochial view of many of you there will be no world wide collapse - we are already experiencing the effects of american failure, total failure is only another inch on the scale.

The resulting "bankruptcy" will mean that no government can take over without having to honour the debts of the government, howver private enterprises would be able to assume the mantle with a clean slate.

Hope you enjoyed the read -

Ummm- yes.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Awesome I was trying to find Newspapers at my local library, but found none. Glad you were able to add that it is highly important to show that the powers that be controlled many things back then and control more today. Awesome post star for you.

reply to post by wylekat


I'm with you on this one. It's a done deal.

It appears to me that we are witnessing the final stages of this coup attempt. It just took them 76 years to complete the takeover. Rather than using the military, the TPTB used their banking system, and their operatives, to accomplish the deed, by whatever means necessary.

The alleged 11/22/63 photo of GHWB standing in front of the TSBD speaks volumes to me. It's been downhill since the day the "traitor" of the elite was taken care of in Dealey Plaza.

This bail-out is a consolidation of power by the Fed in preparation of phase 2 of the takeover.

KY anyone????



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I think you about sumed it up. The second stage is here and all we can do is wait for them to make the final move. But after that, its up to us to show them that the world is not for the elite, but for all people.

reply to post by PhyberDragon

Do these companies really need bailing out, or are we seeing, falsified books, and watching the public mobsters transferring wealth to already wealthy industries.

I firmly believe that the reason for the Bailouts are to bankrupt middle class America. This agenda has been going on for some time now, and it is clear that it will continue in the Obama administration, as he is merely a tool of the corporations, as were most of the presidents of the last 40 years. With the bailouts continuing, and more "stimulus" packages (translation-raiding the US treasury), the dollar will become more and more worthless, unless what savings the average American does have in their 401Ks and retirement accounts, will be utterly worthless.
Did the bailouts succeed in this respect? Absolutely. Here are the successes of the treasonous bailouts:

1.)The average American's 401K is worth 40% less than it was at the peak in the last year.

2.)The country now has a gross national debt of approximately 11 trillion dollars, with an increase of 2 trillion more as the bailout money gets spent, to 13 trillion dollars. This has and will continue to diminish the worth of the dollar, so even people who have cash in savings will find that cash dwindle away.

3.) The country has an unemployment rate of 7.2%(actually higher, but the government is not counting people who have "dropped off" the radar), with the rate likely to soar to double digits within the first half of 2009.

4.) The primary investment of most Americans, their home, has declined by as much as 40% in some areas of the country, with virtually all Americans finding their home worth much less than it was just 4 years ago.

5.) 10% of homeowners have either lost their homes to foreclosure, or are at risk for such.

I could go on, but I think everyone here understands the dire situation we are all in.

They will continue to put pressure on us, until we are completely at their mercy for even the basics, such as food and shelter.

reply to post by TheMythLives

Awesome I was trying to find Newspapers at my local library, but found none. Glad you were able to add that it is highly important to show that the powers that be controlled many things back then and control more today.

The New York Times Archives are a great source for time lines and perspectives. Recently when researching the Balfour Declaration one article’s author suggested that the Germans had virtually won World War I by the end of 1916 and had offered a truce to England and France for them to discuss honorable peace terms and that if acceptable to Germany they would withdraw back within their own borders. I couldn’t find hide or tail of the offer in encyclopedias, reference books or websites. I checked the New York Times archives for the days it was supposedly offered and sure enough there were all the details and the only place I could find any details. The same article on the Balfour Declaration had also claimed America had been primarily pro-German in the press and business prior to the Balfour Declaration but the promise of being able to obtain Palestine had changed Media and Business Moguls to switch sides to England/France and that a publicity campaign to slander the German’s and change public opinion followed on the Declaration’s heels. Sure enough the New York Times had been running mostly pro-German stories and editorials until that pivotal moment and then the tone of the articles and editorials mysteriously and inexplicable changed after the Balfour Agreement.

The New York Times has articles in its archives all the way back to 1852! There are a couple paid membership Internet sites that specialize in archived old newspapers that are well worth the price for any serious researcher. Sometimes it’s the only way to get any reference to an event, and often the only way to get the facts and perspective that were originally reported in an event.

On a side bar Prescott Bush played no discernable role in the White House Coup attempt beyond working for Brown Brothers Harriman. He was little more than a glorified bagman capitalizing on his own father’s good fortune of being appointed director of the Rockefeller Corporation at the turn of the century and enjoying the notoriety that, his acceptance to Yale and the Skull & Bones that was a direct result of his Father’s good fortune and the more influential and more successful Walker side of the family provided in the way of opportunities to engraciate himself to the powers that be. Harriman played more of a role in the Coup, but a lesser one compared to Morgan, DuPont, Mellon and Rockefeller. Prescott did play a major part starting around that time of being a conduit between Thyssen & the Nazi’s through UBC Bank and Silesian Steel and the German Amerika Shipping Line.