Are the Bible and Qur'an suppose to coexist?, page 1


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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:43 PM by DJMessiah
reply to post by ps1klon3



Quran 9:11 does not say that, but the funny thing is that the real verse answers your question.

Here is the real verse:

Surah 9:11 - But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.


"They" meaning Christians and Jews. The last line "We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge," means detailing the Torah (OT), Bible, and Quran.



reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:08 PM by theindependentjournal
reply to post by ps1klon3



Welcome to ATS hope you enjoy it!

The Bible and the Koran are two different books and are not meant to coincide nor do they. The Koran is almost the exact opposite of the of the Bible and the best verse in the Koran/Hadith to tell you how good Muslims feel about Christians and Jews is the when to Kill them Order. They are told to kill the Saturday People (Jews) on Saturday and the Sunday People (Christians) on Sunday. So while the Koran does distinguish us from the Pagan groups and call us people of the book they have a death day for us as well as anyone else...

Hope this helps ya!


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:36 PM by TheRepublic
reply to post by Sonya610



oh good post looks like you beat me to it.

also to everone talking about the eagle.
the eagle is the ancient roman astrological sign for scorpio. it had 3 versions showing diffrent atributes of the sign.

one was the scorpion showing the negative aspects.
one was the eagle showing the noble aspects
one was the phoenix showing the divine aspects.

i think some of the founding fathers wanted a phoenix on our nations seal instead of an eagle.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:41 PM by ps1klon3
reply to post by DJMessiah



"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor due, then are they your brethren in religion..."
If "They" means Chritians and Jews, and Christians and Jews repent, worship, and pay the poor due, then why does it seem like Muslims (im speaking strictly of the extremists) want to eradicate the Chritians and Jews? And if we are seen as their "brethren in religion" why do they insist (again, the extremists) on killing others? Just to point out, ive never heard of a Christian suicide bomber.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:44 PM by ps1klon3
reply to post by theindependentjournal



You say that the Qur'an is "almost the exact opposite" of the Bible. Would that happen to mean one is good and one is bad? Or does it simply refer to the teachings in the books?


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:46 PM by ps1klon3
reply to post by secretstash



Can you prove, or show evidence of God and Allah being one and the same outside of Allah mean The God or The One God, however it translates?


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:50 PM by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by ps1klon3

Hey dood, let's stick the uncle monkey up to the books? Yes let's say you books are a complete vanity? What would happen to those books if every (and I mean every) human being looked up to the sky, held out their arms (pointing skywards) and said "We love you, we are are your friend, we come in peace, we love you, come on down."



reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:58 PM by ps1klon3
reply to post by ufoorbhunter



Im not sure what kind of point your trying to prove. If there is a legitimate meaning behind your post, please elaborate, otherwise try and stick to the topic of discussion. Thanks.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:09 PM by secretstash
reply to post by ps1klon3



I have no 'proof' of anything. That is why I said 'I believe'. It is strictly my own opinion. Now if you have definitive proof that they are not the same, I am willing to listen.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:09 PM by ps1klon3
reply to post by Emipie



I agree with you that yes, there are things lost in translation and throughout time the "original" text has been changed. I do question, however, why you say they are "fictional" when the New Testament of the Bible alone has almost 25,000 different manuscripts. Each one of those original manuscripts differ slightly because of grammatical errors and cultural differences.

www.allaboutthejourney.org...


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:14 PM by ps1klon3
reply to post by secretstash



I will refer you to this website:
www.answering-islam.org...
Under the "Author Of Evil" section it states the main difference between God and Allah. I am casting aside my own beliefs and not saying anything anyone finds on the internet is the "absolute truth." So please dont be offended!


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:27 PM by Emipie
reply to post by ps1klon3



Point taken, i admit fiction was not the correct choice of words.
My meaning was to refer to them as a good read, not to be taken word by word.
A history-book, without 'higher purpose'.

A bad choice of words with no bad intentions involved, my apologies for that.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:29 PM by secretstash
reply to post by ps1klon3



I think that the author of that page may have slanted a few things to favor his opinion. I did a few comparisons and I think here is where we also get into the problem with perfect translations. If you refer to the site below you will find that scheme is translated as planned. I was an Arabic linguist while in the Air Force and am familiar with the Arabic language. Just like in English, sometimes words can have multiple translations despite what the author says.

etext.virginia.edu...

I don't think that some people are willing to admit there is a chance that they could be the same. Every religion likes to believe that theirs is the only correct religion. I am a Christian, but I also happen to believe that there are more pieces to the puzzle.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:45 PM by ps1klon3
Originally posted by Emipie
reply to
post by ps1klon3



Point taken, i admit fiction was not the correct choice of words.
My meaning was to refer to them as a good read, not to be taken word by word.
A history-book, without 'higher purpose'.

A bad choice of words with no bad intentions involved, my apologies for that.





Apologie accepted. I dont think a lot of people realize how many manuscripts were actually written.

Originally posted by secretstash
reply to post by ps1klon3



I think that the author of that page may have slanted a few things to favor his opinion. I did a few comparisons and I think here is where we also get into the problem with perfect translations. If you refer to the site below you will find that scheme is translated as planned. I was an Arabic linguist while in the Air Force and am familiar with the Arabic language. Just like in English, sometimes words can have multiple translations despite what the author says.

etext.virginia.edu...

I don't think that some people are willing to admit there is a chance that they could be the same. Every religion likes to believe that theirs is the only correct religion. I am a Christian, but I also happen to believe that there are more pieces to the puzzle.



Ah glad you mentioned the meanings of words. I failed to take into account all the translations involved especially when the base-languages are taken into account (i.e. English base language being Latin, Arabic base language being Semitic
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