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# December 1957: Lockheed begins designing subsonic stealthy aircraft under what will become Project GUSTO.
# 24 December 1957: First J-58 engine run.
# 21 April 1958: Kelly Johnson makes first notes on a Mach 3 aircraft, initially called the U-3, but eventually evolving into Archangel I.
# November 1958: The Land panel provisionally selects Convair FISH (B-58-launched parasite) over Lockheed's A-3.
# June 1959: The Land panel provisionally selects Lockheed A-11 over Convair FISH. Both companies instructed to re-design their aircraft.
# 14 September 1959: CIA awards antiradar study, aerodynamic structural tests, and engineering designs, selecting Lockheed's A-12 over rival Convair's KINGFISH. Project OXCART established.
So despite the high strangeness, there were elements of the case where it appeared that the Iranians were being toyed with for motives similar to those of military objectives.
Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by danx
For example, and if I’m not mistaken, no one reported any interferences in Phoenix in March 1997 (aka Phoenix Lights), where allegedly a massive triangular or boomerang shaped craft flew over the city at a low altitude.
Originally posted by ugie1028
I Have a pretty good idea (in theory of course) that the UFO's have their own weapons systems, and when they are around the humans hostile aircraft (fighter jets) they flip a switch and disorient the ship or disable some functionality just for defence. and when near an airliner, they would disable their defensive weapons because it wouldnt be a threat.
But thats just me, ur open to your opinion.
Originally posted by Springer
OzWeatherman, what a fantastic thread on one of the BEST cases in Ufology.
Internos, that is a SPECTACULAR post! Should be mandatory reading for everyone interested in the topic.
This case like the ICBM site case(s) have always intrigued me for a different reason than most... The fact these systems (navigation and weapons in the F-4 and the entire control system at the ICBM sites) were brought back online is simply astounding to me. Typically when something gets shut down "hot" (instantly just turned off rather than "properly" shut down) the reintroduction of electrical current doesn't return them to fully operational status, much less operational with the exact same, specific settings selected and functioning!
Think about that for a moment. The implication is HUGE in my mind.
Springer...
[edit on 1-2-2009 by Springer]
Originally posted by Springer
This case like the ICBM site case(s) have always intrigued me for a different reason than most... The fact these systems (navigation and weapons in the F-4 and the entire control system at the ICBM sites) were brought back online is simply astounding to me. [edit on 1-2-2009 by Springer]
If you take the report at face value, I doubt we had anything that could stop dead, but, if there were counter measures similar to what we had in the 1980s where the returns made it look like the craft was elsewhere, then it could have been a case of radar deflection.
Originally posted by Badge01
Also, what troubles me a little is the idea that a conventional radar system could get a 'lock' on a non-conventional craft using advanced propulsion technology 'not of this Earth'.