israel haters / anti semites please listen up

but the most important one is the second world war where SIX MILLION children adults etc etc were stufed in carts and GASSED TO DEATH... now 60 or so years ago or not theres no `oh move on`... sorry there is no excuse for six million people being killed!
Now the 2 or 3 years of the `final solution`.. which is basically what adolf hitlers gassing of the jews was called, NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT... NODBODY STEPPED IN, NOBODY LIFTED A FINGER TO HELP THE JEWISH PEOPLE!!!!!

I'm sorry but I really take offence to this.

First of all, of those six million people, not all of them were Jews. There were also people of Slavic and Roma and other "Non-Aryan" ethnicities in there, as well as "undesirables" like homosexuals and retarded people. Yet we do not consider these ethnic demographics "protected minorities."

But what irks me is that my familial lineage plays directly into this. One half of my family came to America precisely to avoid being stuffed into those cattle cars, the other half joined the military or supported the home-front efforts in America, Canada, and England to empty those camps.

I am very angry that you think that my family members who had to flee to America where they were treated with great suspicion, and the others who laid down their lives to support the Allied cause, "didn't lift a finger" to do anything.


It is a source of shame to me that my recent ancestors came to America to escape genocide, and now America is supporting a country that is playing out a very similar scenario. I would be spitting upon my ancestor's bravery and moral character if I were to blindly support genocide against anyone, in any country.

I wish you would really study your history, OP. It is not that simple as saying "No one did anything." Remember that most of the world was coiming out of WWI--most of them could not do anything, or did not know what was going on. Remember this was before the Internet, CNN, sophisticatd spy-planes, et all. It was much easier to hide. I would also reccomend reading the biographies of people like Corrie Ten-Boom, Dietrich Bonhoffer, and Oskar Schindler, who laid down a whole lot more than their fingers to attempt to stop the situation!

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Israel has the right to defend themselves, I agree... as palestinians have the right to not wanting those moneyhungry corrupt weeds taking over the backyard which is rightfully theirs.

If anyone which is a lot more powerfull than me takes over my house, surely I wont fight them fair because they're a lot stronger than me and take their position by force, thus I fight the way I can and use the most low punches to make them feel anything. So we have the both sides of the spectrum here, the weaker and sneaky, and the unfair but way stronger.

I dont like arabs that much, as I dont trust any jew... but on the "gaza issue" I think the "terrorists" are right, I'm sorry. Its their land being taken over little by little by a super power, a HUGE force against ppl with "sticks and stones" (sure ok, they can fire a rocket, but Israel can wipe them from the face of the planet if they want to) and the world does NOTHING to stop israel from taking it! Its incredible! I have yet to understand why the world just stands still watching what israel does because if other country would do that they would be warned about 2 times and then it would be stopped by force.

But still israel thinks it can walk away unpunished for every act. I'm not here to be "pro-terrorist", I dont give a rats ass if they live or die to be honest and I think they're all psychos and primitive idiots, BUT... even my cat is right sometimes, and this time, the psychos are actually right.

My wish... some "world force" goes there, and beats the crap out of the two sides... one, STOP USING TERROR TACTICS! - Slap slap, few dead, police state "move a finger and I'll shoot it off"... the other side "GET THE HELL OUT OF THEIR LAND... move somewhere... THE MOON! I dont care, just get the f.k out - Slap slap, few dead, police state, followed by a world military escort sending them to wherever... and "move a finger and I'll shoot it off"...

Neither of the sides are "good", they both need a lesson in manners. Arabs are psychos, jews are evil... take your pick... its like one of those Saw movie choices...

EDIT: oh yea, and that 6 million dead crap... sure, here comes the good old "poor jews were massacred" look, go read a bit and see why were jews sent off germany. And btw... did you notice that EVERY JEW is a descendant of a holocaust survivor? Damn... there are sure LOTS of survivors or maybe they just reproduce as rabbits cause well... biology doesnt permit the math... . Nobody makes zyclon B like they used to... tradition isnt what it used to be...

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Sure every country has a right to defend itself. however Israel has notoriously been on the offensive - the Israeli Gov has a "get them before they get us" mentality for the last century to say the least. Even where no actual events occur Israel has provoked in order to justify it's actions.

The Gaza strip is little more than a war camp. Completely under Israeli control and it has been getting worse.

The Palestinians are not welcomed neighbors. Israel has NO welcome neighbors - all are threats. They will do what they always do - provoke and justify their offensive moves.

It's not defense and never has been.

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I hope you feel better for having got that off your chest.

I will endure your referring to anyone who disagrees with you as an "anti-semitic Jew-hater", you will have no choice but to endure the disagreement.

The elite 'club' that runs most of the planet has become of a criminal mindset, they operate at that level. Yours, mine, theirs, maybe even all of them. But it is a darn good bet that the leadership of our precious homeland and that of the Israeli people, are both equally decadent and malignant in nature.

This is not a war of brother against brother, this is a war of families against families. Tribes against tribes. The paradigm must shift from this mobster mentality the elites have impressed on our governance. Do you really think anybody actually WANTS to live in fear and oppression? Then why impose it?

Why wage war at all? To what end? Is their really a REASON for it to be necessary? Especially in a matter as cut and dry as lines on a map? How does this scenario become enabled? Who is the 'actor' and who is the 'reactor'? Who crossed what line, when, and why?

[[Edit to correct punctuation and to add: By the way, how's the fishing?]]

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The opener is obviously oblivious to history.

*Hitler killed EVERYBODY, whites, blacks, asians. Yes, it includes the Chinese, Mongolians, Indians, everybody.
*Everyone who was being suppressed helped each other.
*We don't hate the Jews, he hate what they're doing, but we don't hate the Jews. They are giving us a bad impression of them, but once a gain, we don't hate the Jews. "We" as in the people on ATS.

Wikipedia.org

in Poland

Main article: Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust

Until the end of Communist domination much of Poland's Holocaust history was hidden behind the veil of the Iron Curtain. Poland was the only country where helping a Jew was a crime punishable by death. Yet 6,066 men and women (more than from any other country in the world) have been recognized as rescuers by Yad Vashem in Israel.[3] Their real life stories of courage are just beginning to be told.[4] Many of the rescuers were women and children; and teenagers.[5] Poland during the Holocaust of World War II was under total enemy control – a fact that is often forgotten. Half of Poland was occupied by the Germans including General Government and Reichskomissariat; the other half by the Soviets, along with the territories of today's Belarus and Ukraine. The list of Polish citizens officially recognised as Righteous include 700 names of those who lost their lives while trying to help their Jewish neighbors.[6] There were also groups, such as the Polish Żegota organization, that took drastic and dangerous steps to rescue victims. Witold Pilecki, a member of Armia Krajowa, the Polish Home Army, organized a resistance movement in Auschwitz from 1940, and Jan Karski tried to spread word of the Holocaust.

In France

The French town of Le Chambon-sur-Lignon sheltered several thousand Jews, and similar acts were repeated throughout Europe, as illustrated by the famous case of Anne Frank, often at great risk to the rescuers. Brazilian diplomat Luis Martins de Souza Dantas illegally issued Brazilian diplomatic visas to hundreds of Jews in France during the Vichy Government, saving them from certain death.

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Originally posted by phinubian
I don't want anyone to throw a shoe at me, but aren't these semites against semites? I thought everyone in that region are considered semitic.

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You are right about that, but Jews are so full of themselves that any criticisms of the state of Israel is immediately qualify of anti-semites (they basically want to push you in a corner (treating you of anti-semites), where whatever you say or do automatically disqualify you.

Anyway, for the US media, it is always July (Jews-Lies), since they control it.

Originally posted by plejarenentity
in the end the concentration camps were liberated yes, but the first few things nothing was done..

i think your going off the point, many people seem to have just focused on one point ive mentioned, nobody is taking heed of the general message that israel have every right to defend themselves

Buddy I agree with most of what you said in your first post.
Totally agree.
But the fact is we could not get to the camps in those years.
Because we were busy fighting the Nazi's and defending ourselves from them.
It took a long time to get there, and unfortunately alot of killing had already been done.
Of course it is very true that there was alot of bureaucratic mistakes happening that prolonged it.
But what is it you think we could have done sooner?
When we were being attacked ourselves?
I draw your attention to another fact about the Nazi's and WWII.
20 million + Russians died fighting them.
That is more than all the other WWII deaths combined.
Completely on the Russian side.
And without Russian help, it would have taken alot longer.

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Originally posted by PopeyeFAFL

Originally posted by phinubian
I don't want anyone to throw a shoe at me, but aren't these semites against semites? I thought everyone in that region are considered semitic.

[edit on 30-12-2008 by phinubian]

You are right about that, but Jews are so full of themselves that any criticisms of the state of Israel is immediately qualify of anti-semites (they basically want to push you in a corner (treating you of anti-semites), where whatever you say or do automatically disqualify you.

Anyway, for the US media, it is always July (Jews-Lies), since they control it.

I had to give you a star for that!

Well said.

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Die_Another_Day

By the way... in Portugal, Aristides Sousa Mendes was nothing but an oportunistic bastard with no special trait, always living of his brother brilliant acomplishments and living in his shadow, he lousy and what he did and he did in fact charged the jews to give them their passports. He made a LOT of money that way reliefing the jews of their wealth so they could have their freedom. And guess what, to some he just took their money and didnt issue the passport. Salazar, one of portugal's greatest personalities did get rid of Aristides, not because of the jew-help crap but because he was a corrupt and incompetent little man. In my opinion he should have been shot.

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I salute you sir!

Muslems do not want peace. They want Israeli's totally gone from the area, and have said so on numerous occasions. If the other Arab countries truly loved the "Palestinians" they would welcome them with open arms, land and jobs. As I seem to recall from hearing the news in the 60's, that the "Palestinians" came from Egypt as terrorists to agitate the Israeli's.
Muslems have built their religous buildings upon the top of the religous buildings of countries they have over come. Their dome is not truly an original site. I do not want muslems to use their children to kill any nor do I want my child to kill theirs. If they come here to America it is up to adults to fight them, not children. Untill then I believe the Israeli's are in their rights to defend themselves. If I hav children in either country I would move. The life of my children is more important than any piece of dirt, here or there. But if unable to do that one fights. ADULTSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Yes a star from me too.

Most people need to remember that most countries, at the time of the "final solution," either could not do anything or did not know it was happening.

And let us not forget that America also had our own concentration camps for the Japanese. Although thank God they weren't actually extermination camps.

Originally posted by asmeone2
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Yes a star from me too.

Most people need to remember that most countries, at the time of the "final solution," either could not do anything or did not know it was happening.

And let us not forget that America also had our own concentration camps for the Japanese. Although thank God they weren't actually extermination camps.

Maybe they were... maybe they werent. Many died there thats for sure... but what makes the difference is: History is written by the victors.

Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo

... but what makes the difference is: History is written by the victors.

Occasionally, they can conceal it, but eventually the truth slips out too - much to the dismay of some!

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Originally posted by inja
You make a very good point. However there are three sides to a coin not two as so often is proclaimed. Looking at that third almost invisible side might give another view of things.

Brilliant!! You said that perfectly!

Your words do have some validity, but they only look at one side of the arguement. The whole situation involving Middle-Eastern (an imperialist term) and the West is messed up. It totally sux. The hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian and part of Al Queda. The Saudi Arabians should be the freakin target of the United States Department of Defense. Instead, we are so dammed worried that everyone's a terrorist or a criminal. We are afraid of ourselves and our fellow humans. Killing people out of revenge will not solve anything. Why would Christians and Jews not turn the other cheek?

On the other hand, why should the Jews be entitled to land just because of the Holocaust and other historical tragedies? Why don't we give Texas to the Mexicans because of the historical persecution they went through, including the theft of their land? Why don't the Austrailians of British descent give back Austrailia to the Aborigines because their land was stolen and their people oppressed? Why don't we give the whole of the United States back to the Native Americans? They suffered far worse than any Jew, some would say. Families watched each other die by Americans, Aztecs and other natives suffered the pain of Western disease, and their culture was entirely wiped out. Millions of native americans died, far more than the Jews at the Holocaust. The Aztecs even had a library in their capital that rivaled the one the Greeks had. But, that one was burned, along with their history. They have nothing now: no culture, no past, and no power. But still, people continue to care less about the oppression of other non-white, not Judeo-Christian people.

The human species cannot progress if we keep on fighting fire with fire. That cannot be fixed because average Americans nowadays are so stupid that they have fifth-grade reading levels. Let's fix ourselves, then worry about Israel and everyone else's problems.

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Originally posted by plejarenentity
Israel finally has its own legal state,

ROFL!!!!

Cry me a river.

your the one who needs to study YOUR history... as the `retarrded, homosexuals etc etc` were besides the 6 million
it is an estimated 6 million of jewish descent who were killed so please dont try deter the point and make the holocaust seem like `meh it wasnt that bad`

Note, We ought to mourn for the miseries of other nations, as well as for our own, out of an affection for mankind in general; it is a part of the honour we owe to all men to bewail their calamities, even those which they have brought upon themselves by their own folly.

Originally posted by Maxmars

Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo

... but what makes the difference is: History is written by the victors.

Occasionally, they can conceal it, but eventually the truth slips out too - much to the dismay of some!

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Its the same everywhere... with everyone. Jews, arabs, nazis, americans, everyone. You think if the nazis had won the war you'd hear about "death camps"? or "million of dead" or anything that could be even remotly negative regarding themselves? Never.

Nobody tells the truth. Who knows right from wrong? Only themselves. The victors. The ones that right history has they want to and change facts because no one on the "other side" is in the postion of being listened or trusted. Like a nazi saying there were not "death camps" but "labour camps" or "transition camps". Its a NAZI! Sure you wont believe him right? Like Israel saying that "They broke the cease-fire!!! And we treat them so nicely!" They're terrorists! Who believes them right?

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With all due respect, nobody will see it your way, because the people you're arguing with have an objective approach to this subject. Your biased is transparent.

On the lighter side - this joke explains all you need to know about Israeli-Palestinian politics.

What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?

The Italian - throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.

The German - carefully washes the cup, sterilizes it and makes a new cup of coffee.

The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.

The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.

The Russian - Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.

The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese, drinks tea and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.

The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the Israeli that he should give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.

This jokes for you.

AAC