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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 07:29 PM by K.G.B.
reply to post by SeekerOfAUTMN

Freedom is responsibility, you would be responsible for you freedom from oppression, etc...
You would ultimately decide who will enforce upon you and your family, their beliefs, or trespasses.
It would be ultimately up to the person, to determine the fate of, either yourself, or loved ones.
And yes, it would be anarchy.
Without any control, including, making decisions, that may be morally negative, have always been part of being human.
Look at war.
And the people's that, had to add to the slaughter.
To stem a tide, turn a point.
And allow all of us posting here,................ never-mind.
It's all good, for, oh, about 1/10 of the population of the world.
My point is as useless as yours.
I'm a slave too.
Peace.



reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 08:06 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by ofhumandescent



How do you define freedom? We complain because we don't have enough still we make a steady system, yet continuously seek for problems once we have stability.

I do have many problems with our govrnment, but to reason that goverments are evil farms i think is wrong considering the nature of people with no governmetn today in our world..

As much problem as I have with politics-governemnt-war-greed and will forever fight against that.. what i have an even bigger problem with is an ungrateful society living in blame and anger out of choice; totally unappriciative of what they have.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 08:48 PM by SS,Naga
reply to post by vasaga



Harsh, yes; tritely obvious, also.

But hey, cows is cows, ya know?



reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 09:18 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Blaine91555



Hi Blaine91555, something you have said rings true in my mind after watching
this video, and in general.

"It is our needs that enslave us"

I think that to be a profound statement. And in the context of the video
so true.

But also in real life I would go on to add that it is also our desires as well,
which take over after our needs are fulfilled. Leading to greed and all sorts
of excessiveness.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 06:34 PM by CrowServo
The video makes a number of good points and many of its essential premises are sound, yet it glosses over a great deal of history and ignores the human element in government.

I maintain that the three worst ideas in human history have been government, religion, and money, which this video deals with, but I think this guy is barking up the wrong tree. In advocating personal freedom and empowerment, he tries to demonize and blame an external entity, and in so doing implies that we are at the mercy of consciously malicious bodies of elites which have functioned throughout time, solely for economic benefit. This is partially true, and partially distorted. If you are enslaved, you are enslaving yourself, and no other entity can be blamed. Opposed, yes, if you wish, but I would argue that the problem of elites exploiting the masses is FAR less of a conscious, profit-oriented effort than this video (and many a conspiracy theory) claims.

All wacky Icke-ish theories aside, human beings compose governments, religions, and businesses. Presumably we are all human beings posting on this site (until proven otherwise, that is). We are different, but really quite the same. There are malicious people, true enough, but I am of the mind that most people are genuinely decent and caring underneath the surface. Exploitation and deceit, violence and suffering, manipulation and greed - these all occur, but not because we are controlled, but because the system (if you will) is out of control. People are imperfect. We make mistakes and errors in judgment. We are sometimes warped by troubled childhoods and traumatic life experiences. We act out of fear, and so perpetuate a broken system, largely unconsciously. Instead of fearing an evil bogeyman - be it in the form of a politician, government agent, priest, king, or businessman - why not choose to see that person as what he or she is? A person, just like you. Love and understanding are remedies to fear.

I am not advocating excusing, denying, or ignoring unjust actions by any government, but suggesting that we are not slaves or livestock. Being a vegetarian, I would prefer that livestock not be treated like livestock either, but to the point, we are all responsible for our own lives. To paraphrase Lincoln, nobody can govern you without your own consent. You could argue that we consent to be slaves, but I'm suggesting that the world is exactly what you want it to be, right now. If you want it to be different, it can be made so. Other people may seek to oppress you, but the choice is always there for you and for them, and it's not just an illusion.

This video, for all its valid points, is severely cynical. To suggest that artists and intellectuals and teachers are primarily propagandists for the system is not only a cynical viewpoint, but an ignorant one. Indeed, it is often those very people who speak out against and raise awareness about unjust situations, government corruption, and religious hypocrisy, for example, and who are often the first victims of totalitarian regimes when they take power.

The video makes some good observations but is fundamentally crippled by cynicism, pessimism, and inaccuracies.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 09:56 PM by cpdaman
I agree with crowservo for the most part.

One problem is the banking cartel ......we can do much better than we have now.

Banking is the lifeblood of the economy and right now the Powers that the bankers have aquired are a huge threat to the stability of the world.

When i say bankers i don't blame the local guy who is a manager at the local BOA, infact i'm not 100% sure who to blame, perhaps human nature.

The central banks are the first and biggest problem and the ball started rolling in america when the fed was allowed to stay in power after 1913, and then other country's followed the game plan and almost every country today has a central bank. It was a plan and a process and i'm not sure how that can be taken back given all the momentum and acceptance and dependability that the central bank has accrued. Central banks indebt govt's and people at interest so that there is less money to pay back loans than the total debt outstanding and this is a huge problem that builds over time and leads to crashes, defaults, or the best solution Debt jubilee's. To make matters worse greedy western governments have invested in risky financial chemistry instead of infrastructure and job producing avenues because the congress and administrations are trying to make the fastest buck possible and they listen to the lobbyists who are focused on $ only. The financial sector has grown in influence and power is sucking blood from the "real productive" economy. . . Regulators are asleep at the wheel and lobbyists are undermining the middle class of america as big industry gets away with what they are allowed to and that is alot. The Media is an extension of the innovation and greed of the big coroporations within industry who have turned the media into succesful marketing operation where people are indoctrinated into seeing perspectives that those with selfish bottom line interests want them to see. And thus consumers are manipulated, ignorant, disillusioned and even willingly believe the B.S because they know changing the system whould require a period of pain. But the media control and intelligence is a reason why things have gotten so out of hand and there has not been a revolt, mass intelligent indoctrination has become normal. MEDIA personality's / People become willing pawns of the system thru indoctrination as well as social acceptance of this just being the way things are and the loss of one's job from speaking out (about this) is a big deterent (and being potentially blacklisted) is not worth the pain for one's family. They come up thru the system and learn the taboo topics and probably don't even wish to consider that these taboo topics are relevent and the root of alot of the problems in our society's/economy's today (fractional reserve lending)

The world will never be peaceful and moral given where we are now unless there is some sort of change in the human brain and the way we are wired but there is much room for improvement and fairness in the world's country's. There is so much greed, selfishness, and imperialistic damage that has inflicted unequality's and this would take a long time to undue. The reality i'm afraid is that a feudalistic NWO is taking shape and that will probably stay in power for a couple generations before crashing on it own (out of infighting and greed or unsustainability) I think after this will be the time when we have a shot to rebuild society in a more sustainable fair yet imperfect way.

[edit on 3-12-2008 by cpdaman]

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