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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:48 PM by Sonya610
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Originally posted by JemisonHow did you find out it was going on? At what point did you realize that it was actually happening? Were
you by yourself watching or with others?
Jemison you are such an innocent soul, if you were not Republican I would think you are a very young person.
The kid overdosed on Xanax (a nice way to go except unreliable). He quite literally went to sleep. No one watching the cam could be sure it was real
until the news broke (unless they saw the cops entering the apartment and when that happened it was long over).
A more overt method (i.e. wrist slitting, which often takes a few hours, hanging, firearms which are also risky without knowledge, or even adding a
plastic bag to the Xanax overdose which technically would have been the correct and sure way of doing it) would have alerted viewers that it was
real.
Watching someone fall asleep in bed does not convince many it is real. People leave their webcams running without reason all the time. Ever tuned into
live webcam broadcasts? Empty rooms, people sleeping, all sorts of random stuff.
Jemison sweetie, honestly it is not something that can be stopped or prevented. It is simply a reality of the material/carnal world. People die,
people kill themselves, it happens.
The kid was suffering. He is not suffering anymore. He chose a painless and downright blissful way to go. His family may suffer, but what is done is
done. You can't change the rotation of the planet, and you can't stop death or suicide. It happens.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:50 PM by RComrade110
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I found out on a website that will remain anonymous. I choose not to reveal it because if I did, and someone put my ats handle on there quoting that
I revealed the website, the people on it would pursue me with the full force of the internet. When I first got on the website I thought it was just
another person trying to get attention on the internet by saying they were going to kill themselves which prompted me to alert more people on the
website to the fact that this kid said he was going to kill himself. When more and more people started flooding in we began taunting him, telling him
to kill himself, telling him he had nothing to live for. It seemed like a joke, so we decided to make this person miserable for saying he was going
to do it. When he poured all the pills into the paper and ate them, I thought he was eating sugar pills or something like them. I remember at a
point after he took the pills he said,"Guys, I think I'm going to lay down now and take a nap". I continued to leave the site open for the
duration till rescue workers broke down his door and found him dead. It was a few hours and I didn't really pay much attention, just occasionally
checked to see if he got sick of faking and left, but he was still there. I didn't know much about him or really any of his contact information AND
to be honest I didn't care if he had really just OD'ed. I thought it was good for a laugh and the last time I checked the web cam, I saw someone
post his personal information saying they had alerted the authorities. So, I continued to watch as police broke down the door and they checked for
signs of life. Until they shut off the web cam.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:54 PM by RComrade110
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:00 PM by Jemison
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Jemison sweetie, honestly it is not something that can be stopped or prevented. It is simply a reality of the material/carnal world. People die,
people kill themselves, it happens.
I understand that the world can be a very cruel and dark place. I understand that not everyone can continue living in a world that they feel is
unjust or where they feel they are not worthy and cannot live up to expectations they perceive others have of them or they may have of themselves.
I also understand that that the power of compassion often goes ignored and there are many situations where a single person, sometimes a complete
stranger, can make a difference in the life of another.
Every action we take can have three possible outcomes. It can help, hurt or do nothing. As naive as it might sound I would much rather act in a
manner where I can potentially help someone and risk having my action resulting in accomplishing nothing than do nothing or do harm.
I've seen a lot of very ugly things in my life and if there is even the most remote possibility that I can help others avoid experiencing ugliness
then I'll do what I can.
And you mentioned me being a republican so let me just add that yes, as a Republican I feel that it is the responsibility of each individual to do
what they can to help other individuals. 
Jemison
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:02 PM by Sonya610
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Originally posted by RComrade110
I choose not to reveal it because if I did, and someone put my ats handle on there quoting that I revealed the website, the people on it would pursue
me with the full force of the internet.
You are making this up. The full force of the internet? LOL.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:04 PM by RComrade110
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I wish I was making this up, but I am COMPLETELY honest in my statement. If I revealed the website I'd be hunted by a group that I am part of
because it's what they do. Sorry, I'm not lying or making this up.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:07 PM by Sonya610
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Originally posted by Jemison
I've seen a lot of very ugly things in my life and if there is even the most remote possibility that I can help others avoid experiencing ugliness
then I'll do what I can.
That is a noble cause. I feel the same way when I see an animal in distress, I must go back even if it won't make a difference.
Limit your net travels Jemison. I have traveled a lot of dark places online, and there are more dark and twisted stories than you can imagine, not to
mention sad souls that suck the life out of any live person they can find online.
Would I have turned the web feed on if I saw the link of suicide? Yes I would have. But after a couple of minutes I would have lost interest and
thought it was a hoax. Then I would have been one of the 1500 evil people that watched a kid die.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:09 PM by Sonya610
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Originally posted by RComrade110
I wish I was making this up, but I am COMPLETELY honest in my statement. If I revealed the website I'd be hunted by a group that I am part of
because it's what they do. Sorry, I'm not lying or making this up.
Let me guess, a group of l33t internet hackers that happens to track all new web broadcasts of ongoing suicides.
Yeah, there are lots of those folks out there. They have amazing talents.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:10 PM by Jemison
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When I first got on the website I thought it was just another person trying to get attention on the internet by saying they were going to kill
themselves which prompted me to alert more people on the website to the fact that this kid said he was going to kill himself. When more and more
people started flooding in we began taunting him, telling him to kill himself, telling him he had nothing to live for. It seemed like a joke, so we
decided to make this person miserable for saying he was going to do it. When he poured all the pills into the paper and ate them, I thought he was
eating sugar pills or something like them. I remember at a point after he took the pills he said,"Guys, I think I'm going to lay down now and take a
nap".
Thank you for sharing your story. I imagine it must seem pretty surreal knowing now that it wasn't a joke and watching someone kill themself. You
mentioned that you had other people go to the site and I'm wondering if these are people that you know in real life or if they are online buddies. I
only ask because if they are people in real life that you know I would think being able to discuss it with one another might be helpful.
Also, I think the article stated that it was a body building forum where he posted that he was going to kill himself. I don't see that there is any
reason why you would need to provide that information so don't feel bad for not doing so.
Jemison
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:11 PM by RComrade110
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You say you've been to dark places on the internet, how about a website that has a thread going saying,"GO TO THIS THREAD CAM WHORE IS GOING TO AN
HERO FOR US, MAKE HIM DO IT" And you think I make stuff up, I know the darkest places of the internet and I can't tell you the links because I know
the reprocussions.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:15 PM by RComrade110
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I posted the thread where he talks about killing himself, but once it got to the website that remains anonymous it went completely bat# crazy. I
mean, people flocked in groups, and started screaming for blood. I had a few friends that I know irl and I've discussed it with one of them about it
and we both agree it's sad but funny in a gallows humor type of way. Like the guy being taken to execution by electric chair and right before he
gets strapped in he asks the guards,"Is that thing safe?"
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:15 PM by Sonya610
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Originally posted by RComrade110
You say you've been to dark places on the internet, how about a website that has a thread going saying,"GO TO THIS THREAD CAM WHORE IS GOING TO AN
HERO FOR US, MAKE HIM DO IT" And you think I make stuff up, I know the darkest places of the internet and I can't tell you the links because I know
the reprocussions.
Yeah. An underground network. Wow...you had better stop discussing this because they might find out.
I am sure there were live links. Secret groups that hunt down members for sharing those links? Wait...this is a conspiracy forum...of course there
are!
This is so silly I am stopping now. : )
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:17 PM by raven bombshell
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
He talks about how nobody likes him. What does he possibly do that makes everyone hate him?
He is a good looking guy, and he sounds very intelligent. Again, why did he do it?
People mentioned him being far off reality, but isn't it the opposite?
Did he ever look around him and see that there are millions of people FAR off worse than him? People that grew up without parents, were abused in
foster homes, and now work at Wal-Mart at the age of 18, soon to become adults, while trying to make enough money to survive, or possibly feed their
kid. They are hated, looked down on, considered "trash" by society's assholes, because they never had any real parents etc. Yet they can manage to
still live and fight?
This kid was obviously very weak. He had a wonderful family, a chance at college, a girlfriend, yet he goes around and cries about people not liking
him for uh...what reason again? I don't know, he just seems like an extremely spoiled kid that never had a good look at the real world.
I used to think like him when I was around 16. Everyone hated me. I am a piece of crap that could never make my parents happy or accomplish anything
in life.
Then one day, after ending up in the hospital for certain problems, and having to sit at home on the computer trying to amuse myself, I realized
certain things. I discovered a lot about myself while I was alone. I did research on many subjects, and it was very addicting.
I only have one life. There are millions out there who have lives I could never imagine living, without killing myself. Back then, almost everyday I
started feeling guilty about any complaints I made, and I even started getting depressed the further my eyes opened.
The world can be a horrible place. Only the strong can survive. But the strong can also protect the weak. He was a very weak person, obviously. This
disgusting mess could have been stopped, and he could have gotten some serious therapy and counseling. Perhaps even discover more things about
himself. He could've realized his intelligence and potential, and how he has more of it than...certain...people out there, that walk around with
empty minds and their noses pointing to the sky. But...
Anyways, when I grow into my 40s, and I get truly annoyed/tired of life and the people in it... I'll just do the thing I always wanted to do. Buy a
house somewhere far off in the mountains of Alaska, and live a simple life of fishing, nature, and relaxation, along with the few pets I will bring
with me. Until I die in my sleep, peacefully.
People in a deep suicidal depression don't see reality. They have are under a delusion much like a schizophrenic- its a psychotic aspect of severe
depression. A person who has been kind to others all of their lives and is beloved by many can believe they are worthless and deserve to die. They can
feel extreme guilt and see themselves as a really bad person in that state. I've been there,
I beg people- please, please don't ever blow off a person who says they are going to commit suicide, even if it is the 100th time they said it and
you don't believe they will do it. It would have taken half a second to report the guy's post to the forum moderator. One of those hecklers could
have done this. I don't care how annoying his repeated threats of suicide, just click the button. Obviously someone was able to trace the IP or
something because the police did show up- this could have happened sooner to save him though.
Sometimes you can't save someone- they don't always give out signs or say anything. We can't change that, but we can do our best when we have
someone telling us they are suicidal.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:22 PM by Duzey
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I've read this thread and the only thing I really want to say is that people who encourage others to kill themselves are lower than pond scum. It's
despicable.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:31 PM by RComrade110
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I'm not lower than pond scum, I just wanted to make this guy sorry for saying he was going to kill himself on the internet.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:35 PM by mel1962
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People who commit suicide (other than those in serious physical pain because of a fatal illness) are idiots and don't realize that they leave a mess
for those of us left to carry on with life.
Suicide should be exposed as a devasting act of cowardice and the one's that commit suicide should be ignored and more focus should be on the one's
that are left to deal with all the headaches.
Suicide reminds of the movie "Its a Wonderful Life" where George Bailey gets to see how things happen if wasn't there to make a difference.
My wife's brother commited suicide, now one of his kids is on drugs and in jail and the other one is on hard drugs and is a prostitute, his ex-wife
killed herself, it left the family with a mess and he chickened out on raising his children and being a "real man" that could have guided them and
raised them to be productive and decent citizens! 
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:37 PM by Duzey
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And how would you, without knowing the person or situation, be qualified to make a judgement on his state of mind? Most suicidal people will make a
cry for help before actually going through with it.
Why would you want to punish someone for that? What does it matter to you?
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:46 PM by Tiloke
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Originally posted by Duzey
I've read this thread and the only thing I really want to say is that people who encourage others to kill themselves are lower than pond scum. It's
despicable.
Woah, Woah, Woah there .
[EDIT] edited out my insult even though they called my whole family "lower than pond scum"[EDIT] I know that sounds bad but you have absolutely NO
idea what you are talking about until you are faced with the situation.
I have a fatal neurological condition that will, without a doubt, kill me. It is a semi-rare condition that is 100% fatal. The thing about it is, for
now, I live a normal life with not too much physical pain in it, but when the time comes, it's gonna hurt, a lot, for a few weeks before it takes me.
Unfortunately, there really is no way to predict when that will be. I do know that I have at least a few more good years in me.
I have come to the conclusion that when that time comes, I WILL NOT let my last experiences and memories of this planet be those of pain and misery
for me and my family. I have discussed this at length with my entire family and after explaining myself to them, can not find one single person that
is discouraging me. Even my own mother wants to see me go my way and not needlessly suffering for weeks. I have found nothing but support and
well-wishes from my entire family about this and most of them want to be there when I go.
For you to say that anyone encouraging this kind of thing is "lower than pond scum" just disgusts me, and from a mod no less. It shows , at least
to me, that you have never been put in a position where suicide is actually a legitimate choice. Without having been put in the position, how can you
possibly make such a rash judgment call?
I gotta go,I just read MEL's last post and this thread is really starting to piss me off . Life is to short as it is.
--------EDIT-----------
Edited out insults and fixed spelling.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:48 PM by RComrade110
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It matters to me because, if he said he was going to do it, he'd better go through with it. See, if you say something as monumentous as that you
have to go through with it or get flamed for lying and wasting everyone watching's time. That's why it mattered to me, I couldn't have cared less
about his state of mind, just that he ended his life. Which he did, and I watched to the end. I'm not pond scum, I just believe if you say you are
going to do something, then do it.
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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 04:50 PM by Duzey
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I do have some personal knowledge of suicide and what might drive a person to the edge.
When I said what I did, I was not talking about euthanasia or the families of terminal patients. I was speaking of the type who encourages the jumper
on the bridge because he's making them late for work.
I stand by what I said. If it was over the line, feel free to complain and I will take my lumps like any other member here.
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