Teenager commits suicide live online while 1,500 people watch, page 4
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:13 PM by computerwiz32
reply to post by nh_ee


wow, so what if this kid kill himself..... The only thing I have to say he had the freedom to do so.

Now you suggest that monitoring a website isn't enough???

I own my own website and seriouly people make a living hell to webmasters.

I mean we currently got a law now that anyone in the U.S. that owns a website is responsible for any content stored in their servers.

This was recently made due to the fact of youtube and myspace getting tooken to court for having copyright material stored on their servers by users.

So now we as webmasters have to create a website that can detect copyright material or atleast some way to remove any copyright material.

I know this is sad to see a 19 year old kill himself on the internet but the webmasters are not to be blamed.

There is no way for a webmaster to call the cops to go after this kid in time.

So if you seeking more laws to put on the webmasters you just make it worst.

Most webmasters are trying to leave the U.S due to too much laws and regulations.

I currently am doing so also.

to me I don't see how the U.S is a free country when every year we create more and more laws and regulations and expect every American to know each law.

I mean there is so many laws in the U.S that lawyers don't even know they have to only learn basic laws and then learn how to research latest laws by going to a law library.

I am just saying that we don't need more laws there is no way to avoid these things.

If a person wants to kill himself he will do so and no law will stop him from doing it but will make the people around the person have a horrible day being accused or pointed at that they could of done something different.

I have notice in America if your by a person that killed himself or got killed by someone the cops will think it's you since your by the area and may seem suspicious by the cops.


All I am saying we need less regulations and laws for webmasters.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:17 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Originally posted by HunkaHunka

that's not true at all, as an Artist, I rely on my euphoria and my depression to fuel my livelyhood.

I actually get paid more when I am depressed than when I am not.

So contrast that with suicide... everyone who commits suicide is dead. That's the only generalization you can make that is true.


What was your point again?


So are you saying depression doesn't affect people's lives in negative ways such as being a good parent, being a good employee, etc.? And if you say that it does affect it, then my POINT is that depression can be termed as a natural selection (the people who are depressed will then not be as successful). So furthermore, my question is, why should anyone care about it in your mind since you do not care about suicide because it is natural selection? Why should people care about blindness, as that is natural selection? You can't just dismiss one thing as natural selection. And if you dismiss everything as natural selection, and not caring, then do you advocate killing babies with deformities or people who incur illnesses later in life? Thank you.



No what I'm saying is that if it doesn't directly impact survival and the ability to procreate then it isn't on the radar of evolution.

Evolution only cares about life moving forward, it could care less about how happy that life is.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:31 PM by computerwiz32
reply to post by juveous


I don't think he turned to the internet for confort. I am sure he wanted alot of people to see him die. So it will be on the news or somthing.

He didn't want to kill himself without anyone knowning or just his family know or anyone close to him.

He wanted others to see him die so killing himself wont be a waste.

this is how I looked at it. Since the internet is a tool to have a huge communication with many people around the world.

so anything that happens on the internet will be seen by many people.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:36 PM by detachedindividual
Originally posted by Runningtobabylon
reply to post by jibeho


who trying to be the internet tough guy now?
im trying to point out that there are ALOT worse things in this world than some guy killing himself on the internet
theres been alot of people that have killed themselfs on the internet and they are nothing special , most of the time just narcissistic attention whores who think they will be rememberd, when really we will all forget in a few days or so
You people dont really care if he died or not, Be honest all you care about is the chance that you can look good
And that my freinds is the folly of the internet, But that is a diffrent story for a diffrent day
Long story short, He killed himself, Build a bridge, Get over it


You are completely wrong, and a perfect example of everything I have described.

You think a person ending their life is no big deal, and you think that people watching that and encouraging them to do it is perfectly fine and normal too?

You can make comparisons all you like, it doesn't detract from the fact that you had a moral obligation to a fellow Human and you sat back and laughed, and are still laughing now.

You are a perfect example of the kind of youth that has no respect for life, no respect for others and extremely little morality. In my opinion.

Here is what should have happened...
Kid threatens to end his life on a blog or video site.
You contact the moderators or operators of the site and express your concerns.
Turn off your computer, go outside and interact with others and be a little more healthy.

Job done.

You are simply supposed to have enough compassion, and have a sane enough mind, not to glorify the scenario, encourage the actions of a disturbed person or enjoy watching their pain! It's that simple!

Dress it up all you like, but a person ENCOURAGING another to kill themselves is not funny, not acceptable and certainly not normal (psychologically speaking).

As for the censorship discussed here, I too am against policing of the internet by Big Brother. That's not my argument here.

In no sane society should this be acceptable, and all those involved should be shown that this isn't right, by naming and shaming them in public.

Fact: these sick individuals encouraged an emotionally disturbed person to end their life for their entertainment. Whether they expected him to do it or not, they enjoyed the chase, and they were well aware of what the possible outcome would be.

Imagine if this had happened in a street somewhere. Don't you think those baying for blood and shouting at someone to kill themselves would be facing prison terms right now?

Why does distance make this somehow more acceptable?


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:39 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Originally posted by HunkaHunka

No what I'm saying is that if it doesn't directly impact survival and the ability to procreate then it isn't on the radar of evolution.

Evolution only cares about life moving forward, it could care less about how happy that life is.


When you are depressed, especially for women, you are less likely to procreate and especially bring your kids up. So yes it can be termed as natural selection.

So do you care about people who are born with diseases where they cannot procreate? Or they have developmental problems? You know that is natural selection too. So are you going to just dismiss those and say you don't care? Do you care about people having terminal cancer who will die and thus not be able to procreate? Guess what NATURAL SELECTION.

I am sure you care about these things. So don't try to look bad ass and just dismiss suicide as natural selection. People may start thinking you are a sociopath But maybe that is what you want people to think? The bad ass depressed sociopathic artist.



Natural Selection has nothing to do with what I care about...

However, what I don't care about is suicidal people. I just don't have the time to waste on the dead. Sucidal people are a drain on society and their families.

As Jesus said.. ."let the dead bury the dead"

Now for the vicitms of suicide, such as the mother left behind to find her child... yes I have great sympathy.. but not for the perpetrator of such an act.



[edit on 21-11-2008 by HunkaHunka]


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:51 PM by juveous
reply to post by computerwiz32


Well as much as that makes sense, I think the guy wanted help. He was already set on punishing himself, so suicide was going to happen, but why else would he let other's witness it live? He said he forgave other's just not himself. I don't know. I just know he no longer wanted pain and suicide was all the help he could ever want it that point.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 02:55 PM by HunkaHunka
reply to post by juveous


More than likely, he wanted people to witness it live because suicide is , by and large, a selfish act which means nothing without an audience.

It's all about the impact on the survivors.

"This will show them!"

Bah.. whatever, I have no use for the suicidal.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 03:11 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Originally posted by HunkaHunka


Natural Selection has nothing to do with what I care about...

However, what I don't care about is suicidal people. I just don't have the time to waste on the dead. Sucidal people are a drain on society and their families.

As Jesus said.. ."let the dead bury the dead"

Now for the vicitms of suicide, such as the mother left behind to find her child... yes I have great sympathy.. but not for the perpetrator of such an act.



[edit on 21-11-2008 by HunkaHunka]


So then you care about people with cancer even if that is natural selection.

It depends... are they suicidal?

If yes, then no I don't.


So why then just say you don't care about people who commit suicide? Why do you have to bring natural selection into it?


Because it is my way of saying... good riddance. That the suicide itself was not in vain, but justified.



And why are suicidal people a drain on society? They are dead.


They are a drain whilst they are alive. I've been acquainted with many so-called suicidal people and all they want to do is wallow in self-pity and not listen to anything anyone says.

If someone says to me they may kill themself, I usually request they do something dramatic like jump off a roof, because I've never seen that. I tell them that they have to give me enough time to cook some popcorn and draw a crowd.



Depressed people and sick people and old people are drains on society. But we care about them.



Yes, but that's because they are not directly causing their illness.

Any person who is the direct cause of their illness or has no desire to help themselves, I just don't care for.





Again, do not bring up these academic reasons for why you dont care about people who commit suicide such as "natural selection" and "they are a drain on society (when they aren't)" if you are not going to apply it to everything.


Academic?

First off... My second wife was suicidal.. that's hardly academic. Although it might explain my disdain for the suicidal.

Second off, My father died of cancer when I was 17. He had throat cancer, and then pancreatic cancer. Pretty well expected for someone who smoked 3 packs a day and drank a 6 pack a day and never exercised.

He was a drain on my family while alive because he was always abusive and, which is to be expected from an alcoholic in denial. He was a bastard to live with when he was healthy and we had to take care of him when he was sick.. The day he died was such a relief because his tyranny over the family was done.

So don't claim these are academic reasons.... I just don't care for anyone who is basically a pyschic vampire.



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