People over the internet take on different personas because they really aren't there. And...people like to see others get killed or injured. This was true throughout history. Look at how the roman gladiators were so popular and how wrestlers today are popular (watch on demand wrestling not the WWE stuff, the on demand wrestling is brutal). Are they evil? I don't know. It seems to be almost ingrained in people to like people harm themselves and others as long as they are far away from it.

The words "monitor such sites" scares me.

Statistically we will ALWAYS have a certain percentage of individuals for whatever reason who necessitate the need to end their own lives.

The internet is another medium of communication. He could have just as well video taped himself or been on a conference call. Monitoring sites isn't the solution for it had already escalated passed the point of no return.

This person obviously required help way before he ended his life. If he happened to misuse this medium of communication called the internet to promote his severity of mental illness then monitoring the internet will not control its misuse and or remedy the fundamental problem at hand.

Lets not provide our do nothing government legislators another reason to make Big Brother even bigger by scrutinizing our every action.

For in the end, once we face the creator, we are all held accountable for our actions and no one else.

We have a word for suicide where I come from.


It's called natural selection.



No one who commits suicide deserves attention,

Next...

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
We have a word for suicide where I come from.


It's called natural selection.



No one who commits suicide deserves attention,

Next...

Explain,i already know what i think but id like to hear your words on how depression equals natural selection...What are your reasons?

Originally posted by Solomons

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
We have a word for suicide where I come from.


It's called natural selection.



No one who commits suicide deserves attention,

Next...

Explain,i already know what i think but id like to hear your words on how depression equals natural selection...What are your reasons?

I said suicide, not depression. The two are not the same thing. Although depression can lead to suicide, it is not the main cause of suicide.

I have no compassion for the suicidal. It is the most selfish act a person can take. And the only value it might have is as a symptom of sick society if it happens in clusters.

The depressed, that's a different story. I'm depressed right now, I have Seasonal Affective Disorder... do I get down.. sure, do I want to hide under a rock, sure. Do I need everyone elses attention on my depression? no. Depression is not suicide.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Solomons

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
We have a word for suicide where I come from.


It's called natural selection.



No one who commits suicide deserves attention,

Next...

Explain,i already know what i think but id like to hear your words on how depression equals natural selection...What are your reasons?

I said suicide, not depression. The two are not the same thing. Although depression can lead to suicide, it is not the main cause of suicide.

I have no compassion for the suicidal. It is the most selfish act a person can take. And the only value it might have is as a symptom of sick society if it happens in clusters.

The depressed, that's a different story. I'm depressed right now, I have Seasonal Affective Disorder... do I get down.. sure, do I want to hide under a rock, sure. Do I need everyone elses attention on my depression? no. Depression is not suicide.

Like i said,anyone truly wanting to commit suicide would not want it filmed as some sort of freak show.But depression clouds the mind...maybe this guy was really looking for attention and didnt want to die...maybe his judgment of the situation wasnt the best and he made a mistake.I find your *natural selection* comment rude and distastefull and i can only imagine you are a fundamentalist atheist.

As the world plunges into hardship there should be a reduction of depression-based and other mental state (first world) suicides. It will be instead replaced by third world-based suicides (i.e. hunger) but the number would be reduced significantly. Notice how affluent countries have the highest number of suicide incidents? In contrast most third worlders fight to live on for another day. Crap like this should go away.

Did I mention I'm for the Global economic meltdown?

I am saddened to learn this. I was shocked when I first saw it and now I can only hear a ghostly voice form the past, a teenager who shot p a mall with an AK-47. In his suicide note he said "I'll get my five minutes of fame." You know... I think I'll take a rain check if this is a display of how someone's gonna be famous.

This is devistating that someone can think life is so cheap.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I'm depressed right now, I have Seasonal Affective Disorder... do I get down.. sure, do I want to hide under a rock, sure. Do I need everyone elses attention on my depression? no. Depression is not suicide.

If suicide can be termed as natural selection, then depression can be too.

Even you said that depression can lead to suicide. So then depression is a form of natural selection. Also, depression makes people less productive. That is natural selection.

So you are a victim of natural selection. Nobody cares that you are depressed. Next.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I'm depressed right now, I have Seasonal Affective Disorder... do I get down.. sure, do I want to hide under a rock, sure. Do I need everyone elses attention on my depression? no. Depression is not suicide.

If suicide can be termed as natural selection, then depression can be too.

Even you said that depression can lead to suicide. So then depression is a form of natural selection. Also, depression makes people less productive. That is natural selection.

So you are a victim of natural selection. Nobody cares that you are depressed. Next.

Nope, Natural selection is the weeding out of the traits which are anti-thetical to survival.

Now I would agree with you if the result of the depression leads to a death.



[edit on 21-11-2008 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Nope, Natural selection is the weeding out of the traits which are anti-thetical to survival.

Now I would agree with you if the result of the depression leads to a death.

Natural selection can be applied to many different things. And if you are depressed, the truth of the matter is you are much less likely to get a good job (thus you are blocked while others who have traits that are better will get the job), you are less likely to want to survive in case of an emergency or catastrophe, etc. People who are depressed are at a significant disadvantage to those who are not just like people who are blind are at a disadvantage. So why not just dismiss depression and blindness? Oh, maybe because that would be wrong.

Originally posted by Runningtobabylon
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he never asked or forced it upon anyone to care

Nobody asked or forced it upon him to care either. So what is your point? That I should keep my mouth shut? Tell him to do so first.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Nope, Natural selection is the weeding out of the traits which are anti-thetical to survival.

Now I would agree with you if the result of the depression leads to a death.

Natural selection can be applied to many different things. And if you are depressed, the truth of the matter is you are much less likely to get a good job (thus you are blocked while others who have traits that are better will get the job), you are less likely to want to survive in case of an emergency or catastrophe, etc. People who are depressed are at a significant disadvantage to those who are not just like people who are blind are at a disadvantage. So why not just dismiss depression and blindness? Oh, maybe because that would be wrong.

that's not true at all, as an Artist, I rely on my euphoria and my depression to fuel my livelyhood.

I actually get paid more when I am depressed than when I am not.

So contrast that with suicide... everyone who commits suicide is dead. That's the only generalization you can make that is true.


What was your point again?

[edit on 21-11-2008 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

that's not true at all, as an Artist, I rely on my euphoria and my depression to fuel my livelyhood.

I actually get paid more when I am depressed than when I am not.

So contrast that with suicide... everyone who commits suicide is dead. That's the only generalization you can make that is true.


What was your point again?

So are you saying depression doesn't affect people's lives in negative ways such as being a good parent, being a good employee, etc.? And if you say that it does affect it, then my POINT is that depression can be termed as a natural selection (the people who are depressed will then not be as successful). So furthermore, my question is, why should anyone care about it in your mind since you do not care about suicide because it is natural selection? Why should people care about blindness, as that is natural selection? You can't just dismiss one thing as natural selection. And if you dismiss everything as natural selection, and not caring, then do you advocate killing babies with deformities or people who incur illnesses later in life? Thank you.

I don't get why anyone encourages these people to kill themselves unless they want to see it. We're dealing with morons or sociopaths, or both.