The Wu-Tang Klan and the 5 percenters, page 1
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:26 AM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
It's safe to say that this percentage does not work for the U.S.

But in China, Africa, and other parts of the world it might.
Do you really want to say that? If you think the numbers are below average in the US, that means they'll have to be above average everywhere else...

China's got 1.3 billion people in it. You're ready to go on record actually suggesting that more than 130 million Chinese people are not only in on the conspiracy, they're actively using it against the rest of us?

Or to take it to the global scale, with a world population of 6.7 billion, you're going to say there are 670 million "elite" worldwide, and 335 million people worldwide who know this secret truth and are actively fighting the evil it represents? By this math there are more people worldwide in the 5% then there are citizens of the United States. (335 million > 305 million...)

As much as I enjoy the RZA, that's crazy talk.



Yea, I guess your right.

One out of every 10 people can't be part of the elite evil that keeps the world ignorant.

I just believe there are more people that use forms of meditation, astral projection than you might think (do you know about that kind of stuff?)... Especially the Buddhists, and Hindus.

There is another rapper, who is apart of the Nubian group... Jedi Mind Trix (you can skip the intro if you want which is the first two minutes)

Know anything about them?



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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 01:21 PM by DocMoreau
reply to post by JoshNorton


Do you ever contribute to threads, or is it that you prefer to take the constant role of 'angry skeptic'?

I would say that the OP's later use of the word 'crap' in association with 'new-age' had more to do with their misunderstanding about the subject matter, than any 'redefining of stance' or 'made up minds'. I wholeheartedly believe that the OP, who joined less than two weeks ago, was here looking for information about a subject that they found out about. But instead, they were attacked for the 'mathematics' of the group that they were inquiring about.

Perhaps it is your own disdain for anything that relates 'Hip-Hop' and 'Secret Societies'. Or it is that you have taken on the persona of your avatar, and actually deem your self to be 'Emperor'. Whatever it is, it is not very constructive to denying ignorance.

Stop acting like a gatekeeper, no one is afraid of your FNORD.
DocMoreau


reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 01:52 PM by DocMoreau
In regard to Wu-Tang Clan, and the Five-Percenters, yes there are well documented connections. In fact, the much of the 'mythology' of the group is based on the teachings if 5%.

The fascination with the Chinese culture is born of out of the "Asiatic black man"[8], a term a part of the Five Percenter teachings, also known as the "original man" which is featured on The 5% Album. The album is a solo record from Brand Nubian member Lord Jamar in collaboration with Wu-Tang Clan members and affiliates as well as other artists. The second track on the album is titled "Original Man" featuring Raekwon.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.babygrande.net...

There are also many other Hip Hop groups who were or are involved in the Five-Percent Nation.
I recommend reading this anthropology paper:
Islam in the Mix: Lessons of the Five Percent comp.uark.edu...

I would quote some of it here, but the author asks not to be cited without permission, and I don't want to wait...

I would also read this article, which discusses some of the stigma the group receives, and also some of the followers and teachings:
Is a mysterious black Muslim group a bona fide religion or a dangerous gang?
LAUDED BY HIP-HOP ARTISTS from Busta Rhymes to the Wu-Tang Clan, linked to drug dealers and prison gangs, The Nation of Gods and Earths -- or, as they are popularly known, the Five Percenters -- have inspired controversy for almost 40 years. But this past summer, the group received a powerful endorsement from an unexpected corner. On July 31, the Federal District Court in New York ruled that Intelligent Tarref Allah, a 27-year-old convicted murderer currently serving 19 years to life, had been denied his First Amendment right of religious freedom, and is entitled to practice his Five Percent beliefs in prison.

Indeed, many staples of hip-hop slang may possess forgotten origins in Five Percenter terminology. For example, the greeting, "'Sup, G?" is said to represent "What's up, God?" as opposed to the more popularly accepted etymology, "What's up, Gangster?" And Five Percenters may be the source for the standard hip-hop greeting "Peace."

Busta Rhymes, Brand Nubian, Big Daddy Kane, Mobb Deep, Poor Righteous Teachers, Rakim Allah of the critically renowned tandem Eric B. and Rakim, and many in the Wu-Tang Clan are said to be members of the Nation of Gods and Earths. Snippets of the divine sciences have also surfaced in the lyrics of Erykah Badu, Ice Cube, The Fugees, and The Roots. When Pete Rock and CL Smooth identify libraries as the places where "lies are buried," and television as "`tell a lie' vision," they are echoing the Divine Alphabet. Libraries and TV conceal the truth from what Method Man of the Wu-Tang calls "the 85 who ain't got a clue."


I also recommend looking into Supreme_Mathematics
DocMoreau


reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 02:10 PM by JoshNorton
Originally posted by DocMoreau
Do you ever contribute to threads, or is it that you prefer to take the constant role of 'angry skeptic'?
Not angry at all. Just trying to deny ignorance. From your own links,
The 85% are those without the knowledge, the mentally blind, deaf and dumb who are bent on self-destruction. The 10% are the bloodsuckers of the poor, those who have knowledge and power but who use it to mystify and abuse the 85%. The 10% include the "grafted" white devil (created, according to Farad's teaching, by the evil scientist Yacub approximately 6000 years ago12) as well as the orthodox Muslims and Christian preachers who preach that god is a "spook" or a "mystery god."
comp.uark.edu...

I'm not denying there's evil in the world. Heck, I'm not even denying that there might be people whose sole intent is to actively enslave the general populous. What I AM saying is that 10% doesn't add up. It defies reason. Some other number? Sure. I'm sure the 10% is allegorical rather than literal. But anyone with 4th grade math hearing this for the first time could crunch the numbers pretty quickly and say "huh?"

I would say that the OP's later use of the word 'crap' in association with 'new-age' had more to do with their misunderstanding about the subject matter, than any 'redefining of stance' or 'made up minds'.
That's quite possible. I get the impression that his own frame of reference in such matters is likely occluded by Western belief systems.

I wholeheartedly believe that the OP, who joined less than two weeks ago, was here looking for information about a subject that they found out about. But instead, they were attacked for the 'mathematics' of the group that they were inquiring about.
The math is bad. It took all of 5 minutes to prove that to the OP. Building arguments or positions on faulty foundations doesn't benefit anyone involved.



reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 02:55 PM by DocMoreau
reply to post by JoshNorton


But the idea of 'Five-Percent' being 'bad math' was not what the OP was going for. He was attempting to bring light to the connections of the Wu-Tang Clan and the Five-Percent nation At least that is what I took away from the post.


It was you who brought the '5% being bad math' into the discussion. It seems that you are trying to discredit the validity of the group based on that one 'equation'. You fail to look at it metaphorically at all.

Regardless of the 'math' regarding the population of the world and how that percentage relates to the population of 5%ers, there are thousands of followers of the Five-Percent Nation, including the Wu-Tang Clan and many other Hip Hop groups.

I believe that is what the OP was trying to convey, the 5%er 'secret society' connection to Wu-Tang Clan. I do think that the OP should have done more research into the topic before posting, but the information is still relevant to the ATS membership I believe.

Sorry for being so brash before, I had not had my caffeine.
DocMoreau


reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 04:34 PM by DocMoreau
reply to post by abdulmuhammad


Thanks for reminding me of another Hip Hop group associated with the Five-Percent Nation.

The Poor Righteous Teachers

A lot of the late 80s-early 90s groups were followers of the Five Percent teachings. The Poor Righteous Teachers were somewhat popular, but fell out of the public eye once the record companies started investing money into thr marketing of Gangster Rap.

One could make a case that the 'cultural' subject matter of Five-Percenter rappers was stifled by the 'gangster' subject matter that the record labels started to push. Wu-Tang was one of the few groups from that era that was able to fuse the 5% teachings into a more 'street' or 'gangster' aesthetic in their music.

I would say that the Five-Percent Nation is more of an 'east coast' mentality, although I imagine there are followers in Hip Hop music from all over the world. In many ways, it was Hip Hop that helped spread the teachings to a larger audience than Clarence 13X originally would have had.

DocMoreau


reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:37 PM by Doomsday 2029
"Perhaps you will believe the million feet of film that's been taken above...

uh... Mexico City, and various other places

If you think that you are alone in this universe

or that you are the guardians of this universe, then you are rudely mistaken"



[El Eloh from Lost Children of Babylon]

Took a physical odyssey

To the fathers of Shabazz

With the shamans of the Cherokees

Arrived in Nevada, 10 miles away from NASA

Met the farmer, in which he revealed to me the

Ohioan crop circles that linked all the star constellations

To 19th galaxy... The metaphysists

That quote the Roswell

New Mexican deserts of death valley

Will he be, extraterrestrial biological entity

discovering extraordinary memories

Glided across Glassland

Suddenly seeing illuminations from the seven heavens circle of sand

Of Area 51 and 57, separate the schoolkid and reveal the reptilian

I seen the CIA transform into the species of Greys

The Sabbath seven adding up to seven levels of the Majestic 12

Neoclassic traveller

I Travel the Twilight Zone with Einstein and Nikola Tesla

Walk through the wilderness of Ibilis

as the flying disc, of Ezekiel

the pope stands upon the podium

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behold the arrival of the Elohim ..."



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...Beware the prophecies of the Tarots!

Alien Spacecraft flying away like Sparrows!

Study the lost prophetic books of the bible

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I bring forth harmonics of Hiroshima and Nagasaki!

Annunaki planted the seed where I dwell

either vortex turbines pulling me to hell

awareness upon my savannah as omni dimensional

great species has a common memory complex of the social

liquid crystal colloidal membranes responding

to the spectrum of the universal intelligence matrix...

the basis is that extraterrestrials created Christ

and have a device

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and can display it in the form of a hologram precise;

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because the harvest now is coming

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the government is running

Hectic! Verbal slaughter of the Judeo-Christian Ethic!



[El Eloh]

The world has turned on its last spin

The coming of Tan- That is when ya learn! (x2)





[El Eloh]

Fled with the 5, led through a European wooded ravine

And seen Stone henge connect and bring upon the Annunaki

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Was abducted in Nebraska

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Psycho social biological and electro-

-Magnetic manipulation of human consciousness

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Development of Aid’s was funded in 1969

For the seven (G-7)

and injected into 100 million Africans in ‘77

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But I can rob you of your spirit soul like Xenu

Elders imprisoned, negative Para-physical beings we knew

Function outside the time-track like Ississani

I chose to be enclosed and I fold too, like Origami

Comprehend the theory of reflection like Paromatma

In the epic Sanskrit history of the world like Mahabharata

Praise to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada






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Yes guys, I'm just trying to learn about Nuwaubianism, and 5% teachings.

Very interesting stuff.


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