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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:05 PM
reply to post by tsloan

Reimbursement from private insurance is always higher than government insurance. If you force insurance companies to reduce their premiums then they are going to slash reimbursement rates. That is going to affect small providers. Premiums are high because of the high cost of hospitals. It's a vicious cycle. Why does a hospital charge $8 for a teaspoon of Mylanta? The world may never know.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:08 PM
I'm very sad about how the election turned out and when I read your post it broke my heart - why does everybody think this new president is going to change our lives for the better. That is a total joke - Why have people forgotten 911 -

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:08 PM

Originally posted by TheOracle
I hope all those who see this election as a defeat for America are the minority.
America has voted Obama by a landslide because they believed the man, thats included a lot of american, politicians and economists smarter than the fearmongers.
So in my opinion all the whiners here are the most unpatriotic.
And their fears are unfounded and baseless, they "think" Obama 's agenda will be the "end" of America. Surely Obama is a fascist social communist who wants to take their guns and give them to the needy! Come on guys, get a grip and unite.

Seriously, they really crack me up.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by TheOracle]

well put, its funny how alot of people are thinking this way and fail to research themselves

I think McCain and Palin should really clear the air up about assumptions, lol, thatd be the day

A socialist America, as good as that really sounds to me, itll never happen, so why are people so enraged and going on about that?

bitter much?

good response though, oracle

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:10 PM
I'm just at a loss of words, as a college student, I had dreams of going out there and making my own business and making it big, I had investors lined up for a few of my business ventures.

They're all gone now and I can't get that funding back. I'm at the point of tears because of this

While I respect the vote, I feel that people needed to be more informed this year, instead of jumping on the first bandwagon that say "change".

Let's hope it won't be as bad as it looks to be.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:13 PM

Originally posted by secretstash. Why does a hospital charge $8 for a teaspoon of Mylanta? The world may never know.

Well I know.....

Because HMO's are for profit enterprises are more interested in dividends for the share holders and could really give a **** about the patients.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:13 PM
I don't know why people just won't let us grieve. Why are all the obama supporters getting so mad that we don't embrace disaster.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:14 PM

Originally posted by bandaidctrl
I'm just at a loss of words, as a college student, I had dreams of going out there and making my own business and making it big, I had investors lined up for a few of my business ventures.

They're all gone now and I can't get that funding back. I'm at the point of tears because of this

While I respect the vote, I feel that people needed to be more informed this year, instead of jumping on the first bandwagon that say "change".

Let's hope it won't be as bad as it looks to be.

your seriously blaming the election on that?

Investors? with the way the economy is, investing is going to be hard for anyone right now, its only been not even a full day since pres elect Obama

he hasnt been sworn in yet

i think its more the economy right now, than fears of obama's socialism haha

sorry to hear it fell through, but i think its from the economy

give it time and try again

never admit defeat

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:17 PM
if i were you i would tell em everything is going to ruin and we should all blame the jews.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:18 PM
All this talk about fears of Obama....where have you guys been? Bush is ten times the devil now then you believe Obama will be.

On the subject of Working.

I have no problem working hard for the poor, the helpless, the homeless, the hungry, and the down trodden people of the world. God has blessed me with this body to do his will, not to be selfish and materialistic.

As long as everyone has what they need I have no problem with giving up my luxuries. Just like so many cycles before us. We get off easy this generation. In rebuilding this time we only have to give up our selfish lives...not our lives.

If a couple lazy people get a free ride it is well worth it to reach my brothers and sisters who are in need. Why let bad apples spoil good deeds.

A lot of people are mad becuase they feel like it's from asking for help for the homeless to demanding it. You haven't done it on your own...just look at our country today.

If you want shanty towns and crime to abound then keep going the way you are headed. If you want to help and turn this country back into what it was intended to be then hop on.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Everyone has the right to happiness...not just the people with money.

Keep in mind I didn't vote for Obama...but he won my support after his speech last night.

Never in 8 years have I heard the president ask for our help. It's always been 'give us XX amount of authority and money and leave it to us"

We have paid and paid for protection and aid...and haven't got anything. We are neither protected nor would we have substantial aid in light of a disaster. Bush has had his head in the sand and his hand in the cookie jar for far too long. It's our own fault for not kicking him out of the house.

When Bush leaves office he will leave us unprepared and underprotected. Obama is not asking us any more but what will be required to rebuild our nation.

Why do you have a problem with recontruction when this destruction was so much more expensive?

We can rebuild as to say we the people. The government can't...only the people and that is what we are being asked to do.

Wake up lazy generation. It's our time to shine.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:21 PM

Originally posted by bandaidctrl
I'm just at a loss of words, as a college student, I had dreams of going out there and making my own business and making it big, I had investors lined up for a few of my business ventures.

They're all gone now and I can't get that funding back. I'm at the point of tears because of this

And you blame that on the Demb's sweep?

Man it up and quit being a crybaby! Thanks to the Bush economic model,
my business is tanking but my entrepreneureal spirit is still strong and I welcome the challenge.

If you are so sensitive, perhaps the business world isn't for you anyway.
It can get very ugly out there!

[edit on 5-11-2008 by whaaa]

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:23 PM
Hey all, the OP beat me to the punch with a similar post by about 5 minutes. As a result, my post was deleted. After clearing things up with the mods, I got the go ahead to re-post it here in his thread. I want to say I think that he is just about right on most things.

I wrote this in a tounge in cheek format. Hopefully it will not come to the things I have written, but I can see it headed that direction. Here is the content of my original post, have fun with it, and if you like it, please give me a star.

Congratulations Comrades and welcome to the Obama Socialist States of North America!!! According to the main stream media, Obama has won the election. I specifically want to thank all of you who went out of their way to “Barack the Vote”. As we enter the reign of Obama, I ask that you take a few moments to review a few simple items.

1. Safety! Please refrain yourself from resisting the local law enforcement when they come to your door to collect your weapons. Remember the world is a better place without them. The powers that be are only looking out for your welfare, and the welfare of others, that may be injured by such items.

2. Share the wealth!!! Give your money and belongings to the new regime, willingly and with hope in your heart. Once again, it is all in our best interest to be put on the same level. With no more class levels, we all become equal. Remember this as your paycheck is heavily taxed, and we all can share in your income.

3. Healthcare for all! Universal healthcare is on the horizon! Soon we will all benefit the rewards of a unified healthcare system. No more insurance just for the wealthy or employed. We will soon have all of our medical expenses covered. Since everyone will be on the same level, the doctors will be doing their service from the heart, and not the wallet. Even though they will make the same wage as everyone else, healthcare will improve.

4. Job creation! If you currently work in the oil or coal industry, I urge you to begin looking into alternative job industries such as solar or wind. Soon the evil coal industry will be bankrupt.

5. We can help them! If you have not already done so, please create a “Facebook” account. This will help the new regime keep track of who the people really are. After all, you have nothing to fear if you are innocent, right? Privacy, internet or otherwise, is a thing of the past.

6. Watch others! For everyone’s security, keep a watchful eye on those around you. If you even suspect any wrongdoing, or even thoughts of it, please notify your local authorities. Even if no crime has currently been committed, you could help to prevent one. Don’t resist if they come for family, friends, or even you. After all if you are innocent there is no need to worry. An organized effort on this front may not however take place until our leaders second term.

All these and many more great things are to come from our new great leader. And just to think all this from a man who may not have been born in our country.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:25 PM

Originally posted by sickofitall2012
I don't know why people just won't let us grieve. Why are all the obama supporters getting so mad that we don't embrace disaster.

Perhaps it's because the GOP after the last election said...

"Bush won, get over it"

Have you forgotten?

By the way, I'm a Republican and I'm ashamed of my party's negativity and mean spiritedness. And now I'm ashamed of the whining of my fellow Republicans. Cowboy up dude!!

[edit on 5-11-2008 by whaaa]

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:28 PM
funny thing how some people make evenly distribution of wealth a bad thing...

let me tell you a little secret: there was never a true socialism governing any country in human history...


because there was always people (like you) who wanted more wealth and power then others

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:29 PM
Apparently Ron Paul had the greatest support before his name was summarily removed from the voting lists.

Americans, all who originally voted Ron Paul and yet turned for one of the puppets, ask yourself two questions:

1) WHY did i let myself be convinced to let go of truth and vote for one of the lies?

2) WHY did i allow pressure from outside to dictate to me, to let go of my values and virtues, and go "running" after a candidate who actually should not be there, or who should be in the lower polls?

Choosing between two evils when good is taken away, shall eventually return evil to the one who chooses. If good is taken away, don't choose. Stay outside.

Barack already let you know that he intends to raise living costs. McCain has proven himself during the Bush-wars.

When Ron Paul was taken out, even though the public stated that he had the most votes, you should have seperated yourselves from the polls. Now, blame yourselves for choosing between two evils.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:30 PM
Its interesting to see "White America" in such fear. Obama isnt in office yet but all you people do is complain and assume the worst. Really could it get any better with Mccain in office. The past president laid in bed with our current enemys and got us in this current situation. Obama is guilty by association. Seems similar to me being harassed for being in a certain neighborhood. To you all I say suck it up. Honestly i think its underline racism.
He wants to level the playing field a bit , and take a guess who has had an advantage and is scared to be "Equal" to the average man.
Remember in movies were the black guy always dies first , well now a days hes the hero and the star...

[edit on 5-11-2008 by magnetik]

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:32 PM
To the OP, I agree with you. I didn't support either of them, but I knew from the research that I did that Obama wasn't going to be the answer. It's a one party system with two factions. I ALMOST have to laugh at all those people cheering and smiling on the streets last night thinking they've done something to change the course of the country, boy they don't even see it coming do they? They sure are going to change something FOR THE WORSE. (if that is even possible at this point in the game)

Because of the MSM and people's lack of even a small effort to go out and do some basic research, or think for themselves outside the idiot box America is about to have someone in office that is going to make GWB look good.

"America love it or leave it" someone said?

That's exactly what is happening. And to that they'll reply "good, we don't need you."

And to that I REPLY say that now. Just wait.

Not all of us are willfully ignorant. Peace to the OP, and good luck with your children and the future. You guys are going to need it.

Oh and to those that still want to stick to the you're a racist for telling it like it is about Obama. Your gimmick worked, now PLEASE STOP crying about race.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:41 PM
reply to post by MurderCityDevil

I've had these ventures, lined up and active for over a year and a half now, I was making this happen through the contributions of some of the wealthier residents in my area that were interested in my ideas, they've since gone on their merry little ways on "business trips" that required "additional funding"

I'll admit to become worked up emotionally over this, but it does not take away from the fact that I was literally sick to my stomach when I heard the news. I pray we're all wrong because I love this country, and regardless of what my beliefs are, for the moment, I'll support the decision this country made.

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:41 PM



all race long all I've heard is Obama will be the death of America or McCain will be the death of America. To be quite frank, Neither is true, and those who spout it (especially after the fact) are being sore losers.

A political MANDATE was actually handed down last night.

Anyone care to name the last president that won by 340+ electoral votes and 7,343,011 votes?

Thats what I thought...

that said, those of you that hate Obama with a passion, hold your tongue until 2012, and vote him out.

I had to deal will 8 years of Bush Co. 4 years that were stolen, and 4 years that may have been stolen; The least you can do is sit back and shut your mouth for four years of an actually ELECTED president frightens you.

The American people spoke yesterday, and their voice was a loud and thundering "F*** You!" to the republican party.

Maybe now the republicans will refocus their party on the actual basis of their party, as opposed to all those multi-billion dollar corporate lobbyists.

If not, your destined to have a repeat of these feeling in 2012, and even 2016, until then, Keep it to yourself, (or at least have PROOF that a socialist nation is bad, The French would argue otherwise)

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:45 PM
reply to post by whaaa

Yeah, because the whining democrats always call for a recount instead of conceding with dignity. You are not a true conservative and I'm am not a "dude"

posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:48 PM
So I came on here this morning to see the drama that would ensue after last night's election, and I am not one bit dissappointed!

the world isn't going to end. The US isn't going to implode.
Not only is electing our first African American a landmark, I think it says that not only do we change our social views, we want to change our state of being.

No longer do we want the hyprocracy of saying one thing and then doing another. No longer do we want isolationist views and self preservation, we want to embrace more and have others embrace us.

We no longer want the good ol' boys club and politics as usual.

All this conservative talk of family values yet you don't want to help those less fortunate. And it is not laziness or lack of work either.

I know a lot of people who do the jobs no one else wants too yet you want them and their families to suffer because your "family values" doesn't permit you to help them.

There are teenage girls forced into sex, get pregnant. under your ideals not only woudld they not be able to have an abortion, but then they would not receive the support they need to take care of themselves and a baby.

People live with undiagnosed mental illnesses. That are mis understood or discriminated against.

Or they have to stay home to take care of an aging parent because our society won't take care of them until that person has lost everything they have. And they can't afford the 100000 a year for care.

This election proves that all things are not created equal. It is 2008 before we elcect a minority for a president.

People can't always get the job they want because society won't let them. Women are still discriminated against, I have witnessed it myself on more then one occassion. People are still discriminated against on race or sexual, or religioius preference.

If all things were equal then maybe you can say that people are in a position of their own fault.Until we live in a society that is uniform across the board in hiring, firing, and medical treatment, then we as a society are responsible in other ways to give a much needed chance.

To sit there and say that someone who doesn't need help or it is because they are lazy and living off the system is blatant discrimination and stereotyping.

Unless there is a magic crystal ball that lets you peer into every single person's life, no one can judge who needs help and why.

The cost of welfare and healthcare are far less then the cost of defense, war, or bailing out the rich. Most people supported these wars when they started. So people will support agendas that promoted death but not support those that give someone life.

If you want people to get out of these systems then they need adequate training, mental health care, and affordable daycare. Daycare is expensive. And you can't expect people who can't afford college, or expect them to go to school and get training to get out, when they don't have care for their children or dependent seniors.

The poor are the last social group to continually be discriminated against. And those groups that help the poor don't discriminate. They help whoever walks by, even if you show up in an Armani suit.

It just makes no sense to me that a group of people are anti-abortion. Yet they dont' want to take care of the women and children who don't choose it. It just doesn't make sense to me that a group of people don't want stem cell research. yet don't want to provide care for the chronically sick as a result.

Funny how easy it is to protect what is perceived human beings that don't even exist, that you are protecting the invisible. Because when you force an agenda on someone else, it doens't affect you personally. But when it does, then it is a bad agenda. funny how things are picked are picked and chosen upon conveinance. sad.

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