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2012 totally debunked!

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:41 PM

Originally posted by JayTaylor
and you guys are using that to debunk the entire video?

You got it
Debunking by killing one wild theory in favor of another wild theory is silly.

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 10:18 PM
reply to post by stmichael

Duh.. or mabe it's because the Earth is much more populated than in past times &thus when something happens, lots more ppl die..

Just a thaught.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 03:01 AM
reply to post by Odessy

Ok first of all, i said IT`s all fake and made up by everyone just to draw attention to all the robotized fakesayers, whom never look into anything they just go FAKE and then move on to another post, and start all over again.

The BIBLE ohhh it is such a sensitive matter to all....LMAO it is FAKE all made up by people who hated the fact that Jesus was the first Socialist and wanted us all to have a life in harmony and understanding and love with each other. Remember what he did in the Temple of the rich rich sleazy priests? hehehe draw your own conclusions. At least that much is proven that he existed, but he was surely NOT the son of God? who ever that is? if not the Annunaki then what?
NO scientist alive today, can explain why the amount of life forms all of a sudden increased with 1000`s percent in an enormous super development way and amount for 1 million years ago, something really did happen, they know that much, but what they don`t know is what made it happen?.

Almost all religions today, have the same descriptions of their "gods" and they are damn close to each other. It is all there : flying thingy`s, pale skin, white hair, talks of love wisdom and peace, tall beings, came from outer space, many many many old writings and teachings point to ORION, and so conclusion is the same as Dr.Erich Von Daniken, Dr.Zecharia Sitchin, Professor.Jim Newberg, Lammer and Branson and many many more are joining their theory's, they made us, Nibiru is probably coming to, that's all. I read one of the first books from Erich Von Daniken lately and it was BEFORE cellphones and personal computers and space stations, already in that book Erich said we was going to have these things, long before they available to us. Calls for another thinking session? hmmm.

My post anyway was mostly to say IT IS NOT ALL FAKE!.

[edit on 3-11-2008 by Kukulcangod]

[edit on 3-11-2008 by Kukulcangod]

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 04:18 AM
If you haven't seen these. I suggest you watch them.

It's very interesting to speculate.

The Sumerian Flood Tablet says a whole lot.

Ancient Technology Part 1

Ancient Technology Part 2

Ancient Technology Part 3

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Kukulcangod
reply to post by Odessy

NO scientist alive today, can explain why the amount of life forms all of a sudden increased with 1000`s percent in an enormous super development way and amount for 1 million years ago, something really did happen, they know that much, but what they don`t know is what made it happen?.

Almost all religions today, have the same descriptions of their "gods" and they are damn close to each other.
[edit on 3-11-2008 by Kukulcangod]

Don't forget there stories and events around the globe.
Is "god" tangible .? No.
People say "thats a theory, a what if."
When in fact "god" is a theory, there is no evidence of him/her.
It is a belief. The bible, I think its more of a manual to keep you doing good things, on the BELIEF that if you don't , you'll goto "hell".
Once again, tangible evidence of heaven/hell? didn't think so. Just another theory of where you go when you die.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:35 AM
reply to post by Amenti

In the first minute or so you say this event is significant from the Earth's perspective only and its merely a visual effect. Go figure.. We all live on Earth so it may count if that event is affecting what we, on earth, see, feel or whatever will happen on that event. Earth is indeed affected by stars as any star in any galaxy out there.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 12:38 PM
hello and respect to all,

Just want to drop a few words....

I am not sure if world is going to end on 2012 or some other day in future but what I can see is that it is already ending right in front of us. We just need to open our eyes and see it as it is ending fast right in front of our eyes. We see it ending every day and ignore it as we believe in dirty bombs, earthquakes, asteroid/comet strike, tsunami blackholes etc. as ending factors.
Just look around you it just seems like that species called human died long time ago. We today are not humans, humans don't live here (on planet earth) anymore. This planet is full of hate, crime, lies, fake, fraud, blood, with no respect of life just look at all these wars, terrorist acts, bombings, rape, abuse, etc etc. happening around you. Natural events are also adding to the misery of mother earth. We are close to end and every one here feels it, we feel it because we see it everyday happening to others and its our mind that keeps on telling it that it will happen to you. Its us who fear the end and want the end. Every other person have something or other to do things they should not they fear wrong but they do it. Everything end some day and everyone know it will end but its in our nature to run from it. I think its time that it should end this planet is not good for survival. Today we fear for our childs future, those who dont have kids yet are also worried. No financial stability, no jobs, fast depleting resources, hard to get food and water, no or limited power and energy, 1000"s of disease, crime on all time high, danger of war's and dirty bombs all the time, danger of terrorist attacks all the time, all time high natural disasters, sea levels rising, melting ice, blah blah......nothing seems to be happening right......and everyone asks when the world is going to end.



posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 12:41 PM
very interesting stuff. ok ok 2012 is 99.99% bogus let's just let it go. it's entertainment just enjoy it while it lasts. if the world happens to blow up or we all grow a third foot out of our foreheads then even better.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 12:59 PM
It is very easy to debunk the dec. 21 2012 prophecy simply because the mayan calendar never predicted this to be the end date of their calendar. The Day they actually predict their calendar to end or to restart is Oct 28, 2011.


at the bottom of the website above are videos of a guy explaining the shifts and changes of the mayan calendar.

The only truth that the op put forward is the fact that people have put forth most the speculation about what will happen at 2012 not the Mayans. If only he applied that same critical thinking that People put forth what will happen according to the bible.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 02:03 PM
good people do good things..

bad people do bad things..

but, it takes religion for good people to do bad things

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 02:05 PM

Originally posted by mandrake
But seriously why do people want to debunk everything these days? Is it so fun to prove some one wrong and rub it in their faces and say "Nah na na na nah! I was right you were wrong, I'm so much better than you are"?

It has nothing to do with being "better".

It is because these "predictions" are fear mongering threads.
Many people view threads like these and make life changing decisions.

This isn't the only culprit, there are literally hundreds of postings on Martial Law, Bush attacking Iran, Food running out, The CIA coming to get you., Mar bases, SARS virus, new AIDS coming to get you. Government poisoning you.. Chemtrails controlling your ending on the 10th, the 12th or two days from the last time we said it would.

On and on and on..

There is a new boogeyman on ATS every single day and the poster is SO SURE of what he is spewing that he calls anyone with a different (read: rational) viewpoint on it a government plant!

These kinds of threads (2012) instill fear and uncertainty.

Personally I get really mad at some of them, to the point of nausea..The posts are so convincing (to some) that they run out and spend their hard earned money on rice and water jugs, duck tape and MRE's, they scare their families and what little friends they have left (after years on ATS) Just because some lame-o came up with a sounds about right theory about nothing.

THAT is why we skeptics.. "debunk" (at least, why I do)
is that so bad? if it weren't us..who then?

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 02:47 PM
Hey, Great video. I am pretty confident that there is something going on right now that has to do with global enlightenment.. with that being said... almost everything you presented seems to be very accurate. The only thing is, the part where you reference, That article was written in the 80s and uses references all the way back to 1942. "Chandrasekhar, S. Principles of Stellar Dynamics, 190 (University of Chicago Press, 1942)."
I will try to find some references to where we are located to see if there are any contradictions..
Here is one
(We are) "about 14 light years above what's called the equatorial symmetry plane. As to the thickness of the disk, most current estimates put it at around 1,000 light years thick. Obviously our solar system lies very close to the galaxy's equator."

So that says we are 14 light years away.. ok... I will try to find some more.

The one thing that is kinda interesting though is that I think what is going on has to do a 2 energies at different frequencies harmonizing together causing evolution. I have to run though... If anyone wants to hear what I gotta say just ask.


posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 03:29 PM
I, myself, can end the world if I wanted to.

Just gotta have some time to plot on where to steal nukes and how to place them in the mantle.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 04:52 PM
reply to post by Amenti

There was never any actual evidence 2012 is going to be anything other than a normal year, so there is nothing to debunk. The believers have yet to show actual evidence of anything specific happening in that year, and until they do, they are simply discussing their hypothesis, not anything concrete.

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 05:22 PM

Originally posted by die_another_day
Just gotta have some time to plot on where to steal nukes and how to place them in the mantle.

Well I can show you where... but your on your own after that

Here is the US Nuke storage in the Netherlands... Nothing much around it kinda quiet area....
Seems Google doesn't want you to look though

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posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:37 PM
reply to post by Amenti

its easy to debunk 2012.. just have an IQ over 40

posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 07:47 PM
I appreciate your post.

One thing, "it only matters from the perspective of earth", all earthly calendars only apply to earth. The precession, cycles, or ages do not matter to mars or any other planet. So that specific alignment, measured from earth is significant to earthlings, measure it from mars and will be slightly different and equally significant. I see your point though.

2012 is something to look into...Something will happen on a totally different scale though, it ultimately has nothing to do with stars and skys, but those are the actual markers of this event. One cannot figure out the splendor and technological advancements of the
Mayan/Olmec/Incan/Zapotec bloodline with modern history, you have to dig way deep.

All of the "civilizations" mentioned above, DID NOT develop the techniques, tools,or systems of measurements to make the equations, monuments, and predictions. They simply 'found' or they were 'taught' by travelers from the east. One can mess around through the ashes and put together the pieces and figure out some pretty farfetched facts. For example look up the "xiuhcoatl" which would translate to something like "fiery serpent", it was a weapon that projected 'fire' and 'dismembered' bodies. They were not 'primitives' like history suggest. But.......I can go on for hours about real history, Im just trying to say if they marked that date, it is of a greater significance than a lousy light show.
Sure, whoever may have recognized precession before, but can anyone name a calendar 20-40,000 years old that accurately predicts modern valcanos, who ever taught the mayans did just that.

So at the end of my long journey, I agree, the planetX-polar-shift is a pretty big leap. The mag-poles are shifting as we speak, there are a nice amount of bodies(that can be classified as planets) beyond pluto and the oort cloud, If the galatic centre were to align "a certain way" harmful rays almost some-million times that of the most harmful ray of the sun will 'sweep' earth, and global warming is occuring throughout the solar system not just earth,so.....Those are facts to sit on. Great Post
sorry for typos

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posted on Nov, 3 2008 @ 09:22 PM
reply to post by Amenti

I am sorry to point to a doomsday site, but it has one of the best pictures I could find.

If you look at this carving, let me point out a few things.

The depiction is of their various gods pouring water on to the world.

There is a god holding a jar that looks an awful lot like this...

Which is Aquarius' astralogical sign.

In 2012 the age of aquarius will begin, and no I don't mean the song.

If you look here, you will see what I mean the graph at about a quarter of the way down is the most accurate.

In these links, you should be able to see the truth. And finally, you should read the Bible. The conclusion that I have come to, is that it is a moral guideline on how to live. But since times have changed, so have the laws of man. The laws of man are the laws that were placed into the Bible so long ago. Please, everyone, think for yourseleves. Don't listen to me, or anyone else. I only want to give you the facts that are available, and my opinion as I see it.

posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 01:09 AM

Originally posted by hawk123
Yes it is the same prediction as in 2000:

The site shows all kind of 2012 material, but still the old link to the year 2000 exists.

Maybe they were a year wrong.
Assesion is about a new beggining.
What did we see in 2001????

A real life version of the tarrot card for a new beggining, the burning towers!

Assesion works both ways for us and them

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