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2012 totally debunked!

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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 11:53 AM
There has been publicised more deaths caused by hurricanes, earthquakes ,floods,volcanic eruptions, starvation,diseases,etc,etc, this century than any other maybe we are prepared to accept we are NOW living in the end times as quoted in the gospels.

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 12:10 PM
reply to post by Amenti

The bible is the written account of the mayan calendar, is this guy kidding, is this a joke? Even though I do not believe 2012 to be this date for sure, this guy needs to keep studying if he is using the bible because the water is still the same, that contradicts his claim if he was well educated as many are not....These stories are all the same, the bible is just another one of the same from all cultures. Keep studying and you will find how it came to be.

Why do you think the Christians killed the people that were studying the things that he says was so simple for the Mayan to have learned, control, they not only took their knowledge but they took this same type away from us all over the world and none of these people know what was there because they are hiding it from you. Once you look past what people have taught you you will see that they have taken away very important bits of information about your future.

The bible prophecy, that’s funny! The bible is a calendar just like the Mayan, dated with the same dates and all... Why did they not tell you this?

[edit on 2-11-2008 by seek4 truth]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:12 PM
But the bible has been edited over and over by people who new of these events after they happened, ironic that one who debunks all of the 2012 predictions quite well must also hold the bible as truth, IRONIC.

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:15 PM

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:17 PM
reply to post by Amenti
Total baloney! this proves nada!

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:22 PM

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:25 PM

Originally posted by stmichael
There has been publicised more deaths caused by hurricanes, earthquakes ,floods,volcanic eruptions, starvation,diseases,etc,etc, this century than any other

Maybe because THIS century we have TV and the Internet so you hear about more than the last century...

Maybe because we have 6.7 BILLION people THIS century while at the end of the last century (1900) we had 1.6 BILLION people

So if you have an Earthquake now naturally more people will die in a given region because there are MORE PEOPLE... and while the last century world news was hardly available, today the remotest region makes the news.

But I suppose that is just too logical for the prophecy Doom Sayers huh?

[edit on 2-11-2008 by zorgon]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:37 PM
reply to post by stmichael

It could also be that we have a much larger, more competitive, and more capable news media than at any other time in human civilization. We have the capability to go anywhere, at any time, and report on even the most menial of events - then disseminate that information out to the entire world en-mass and in real-time. The world is a very big place, and a lot of tragedies and news is occurring. The networks of the world have made it an increasingly smaller and smaller place - cramming all of that into your living room.

Further, as said, news agencies are trying to compete with not only one another - but with other - far more entertaining programming. So they tend to pander around to what sells - death, sex, tragedy, comedy, celebrity, etc... etc. So not only are we now seeing more tragedy from all over the world and in better resolutions - those tragedies and disasters are also being played up and crafted to generate a maximum amount of shock, horror, and concern simply to prey on your fears and get you to watch.

What people see as signs of the end times, I tend to see as nothing more than good marketing by a media who is trying to sell you a product.

Edit: Dernit! Zorgon beat me to it.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Lasheic]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Raud
Doens't have to be the "other" guy. Compared to what the frist guy has done, it makes sense...

AH but you see... I have a theory that we are indeed following the wrong guy.
, based precisely on what the 'first' guy has done. Remember the 'other guy' brought us knowledge, taught us to use our free will, and brought us light...

For this he received a lot of bad press over 2000 plus years... while the 'first' guy demands of you to be a sheep and worship... OR ELSE

Now if my theory on this is correct.... mankind has been duped for 2 Millenia...

But on the Nibiru/2012/Mayan thing.... remember that the Bible story ALSO started with a mere handful of people, then grew to what it is in the world today with myriad offshoots and sects

Had they not set a deadline of 2012 who knows where this story would be 2000 years from now?

Lucifer (not 'Satan') The Bringer of Light was FOR mankind, not against

The 'first' guy wipes the slate every now and then when we don't do as ordered... and starts over...

And what's that old saying? Only an idiot would do the same thing over the same way and expect different results:

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:44 PM
reply to post by zorgon

You need to knock off the logic crap Zorgon
It might be contagious

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Blaine91555
You need to knock off the logic crap Zorgon
It might be contagious

I'm sorry
won't happen again I promise.

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:15 PM
what a load of tripe...

the bible is 100% accurate?.. give me a break!

in fact, the bible is 100% myth, how about that?

interpret the mayan calendar any stinkin' way you want, I don't care; but don't be so ignorant as to site the bible as the source of debunking anything; to consider oneself a truth seeker and prop up the bigle as truth is hippacracy of the highest order...


posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 02:21 PM
Well, I'm not one to buy into all that 2012 stuff, but what is this guy talking about?
The bible is 100% accurate? How come he doesn't give even one of these specific examples?

Someone care to explain how a thread like this gets so many stars and flags?

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 03:50 PM
Good Work OP for making the Video, how you can use the Bible to debunk an astronomical event I don't know however lets look at the following

That I always find interesting on this issue:

I am sure we are all aware of the NO 11 theme recently, Its spiritual significance.

Many people say they have seen it much in their life, and the coincidences around it and 2012?

From the United States Naval Observatory and I am not sure how many people are aware of this:

2012 2012
Perihelion Jan 5 00 Equinoxes Mar 20 05 14 Sept 22 14 49
Aphelion July 5 03 Solstices June 20 23 09 Dec 21 11 11

United States Naval Observatory

So wow on dec 21 st 2012 the Solstice is at at 11 hours and 11 minutes!

9/11 ..... the end of the World War 11 mins past past 11 mmm something there I think and not in the bible, but in human history in major events that have shaped the world.

I always find this actual scientific fact with historically created events very interesting.

Also that earth will astrologically be in the position of the end of the Arrow of Saggitarius and for the first time we will be totally properly in the Secret 13th house of Opernicus.

Kind Regards,


[edit on 2-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by volitionawareness

I know that m8, just filling out spaces...:-)
Come on guys are you that slow? my post was for the naysayers so they DONT have to say FAKE to everything...Zzzz

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Kukulcangod]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 04:52 PM
be careful with Zeitgeist..

lets say all of it is true, then conclusion is bit off

UN, United Nations is GOOD,
as long as there ARE nations - its system of VOTES, that's good

ONE Nation is BAD - its RELIGION VOTES here, always in DISAGREEMENT

RELIGION is a way to perform global domination, its exactly what Zeitgeist talks about, but they fail to see that RELIGIONs already control "us", they already succeeded in making a 'global nations'

but they did it much BETTER,
they given us ONE BOOK, which is actually THREE BOOKS of WAR - DIVIDE and RULE

--- Score in Bible / Torah / Koran ---

GOD: ~1,400,000 KILLS
(not counting flood, fiery serpents and other mass-murders)


have you not noticed your GOD, ALLAH and YAHWEH...
have all the attributes of the DEVIL?! ...welcome to HELL

Bush and friends from 'Skull & Bones',
these are the SAME guys if not worse than Hitler & Catholic Church together..

Devil, Pope, Nazis, Skull & Bones.. whatever you wanna call them... whose skulls are those they drink from?

don't forget Galileo, don't forget INQUISITION not forget all the Popes and they ORGIES, Nazis and other Skull & Bones' not forget how they like the smell of human flesh

the new Bible is called TV

can people do nothing?
of course they can.. people can march in to the White House and cut his stupid head off ..that's right, that's how good revolutions end - when the m_f_kr looses his rotten head, its just one more Skull and some more evil Bones, they can put it on the wall among other

people could march in those masonic lodges and catch sick bustards in whatever the sick m_f_kr are doing there, whose skulls are those they drink from? ..shall we not care?!

- "And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

[edit on 2-11-2008 by nickname-alien-SuckMy#]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 05:02 PM
Please check my post at the top of page 2.

I would still like an answer...
Can you prove the prophecies in the bible have come to pass?
You mention that the Bible states specific names and countries... well please link some info, Im not JUST going to take your word on it.
Im curious to know.

and do we know that other religious texts havent also predicted similar events?


You can U2U me if you like.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Odessy]

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:36 PM
Didn't the narrator in the movie say towards the end that he was going to give his personal opinion regarding the cause of everything and that if you didn't want to hear it you should turn off the movie?
I ask because a lot of people are complaining about his biblical references when he threw in a disclaimer, when he begins discussing it he was doing so based off his own personal opinions and you guys are using that to debunk the entire video?

posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 09:18 PM
reply to post by JayTaylor

Well, I, personally want to know what references he has.
I'm not debunking, but if he mentions something, he should back it up.

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