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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:10 PM
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We have the same thing here in the states, Unemployment benefits, they call it. I have had to collect once, when the company I was working for went out of business. BUT I GUESS the point is SARAH PALIN. She is taking huge profits from Oil companies and giving it to the citizens in the state she governs. What is the difference? Really, what? I am really wandering why the republitards are saying Barack is a socialist and not Sarah.




posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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If you look around, I'm about as popular as a dose of the clap.

I catch it from:

gun-haters
gun owner-haters
America bashers
military bashers
socialists
communists
pansies
folks who don't do their research
pacifists
muslims
smartasses
beanie babies

and did I say, "socialists?"



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:15 PM
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Well see.. socialism has helped you in the past, and many others I'm sure. I`m kinda surprised that Americans have such an overtly socialist system as Unemployment Benefits and yet they are so paranoid about socialism.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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I think I am in love with you.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by red_leader
reply to post by red 5
 

There is a reason why Canada is the envy of every nation on earth. If you ask any person in the poor countries of the world "Where would you move if you had the opportunity?" 9/10 will reply "Canada"


I like Canada. I really do. But I think you are overstating when you say it is the envy of the world. It really is not the case. Sorry -- deny ignorance and such.

Edit: It is just too cold in Canada for most of the world. It's like Iceland -- a great place, I am sure, and one that people respect, would like to visit, but not too many people really want to move there, irrespective of what you might tell a Canadian citizen. I think I am right here.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Buck Division]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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Okay -- before I leave this thread, I have to tie in my earlier comment about public restrooms with my later comment about automation being a way to achieve communism:

www.americanrestroom.org...



Automated Public Toilets are high-tech self cleaning public restrooms. They require a service contract but for the most part are unattended. Unlike portable sanitation units (PSU) or 'porta potties', these unit are fixed location and require electrical, water and sewer connection. While more expensive then a PSU, they provide clean seats, floors and actually look nice.


Really. It is one step closer to making communism possible. However, could not have occurred without a capitalistic society though. Something to consider.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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I think Socialism is a mixed economic system. Part is governed by market forces, while the remaining parts are centrally planned.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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O.K. Soo what about Sarah? Is what she is supporting in alaska Socialism?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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geez people, so black and white about this.

The socialist governments mentioned have one thing in common, they are small in population, this type of government gets a bit harder with more people.

You can socialize some areas without losing personal ownership.

"All" rich people "earned" their money through hard and honest work? Please!

Schools should not be socialized. It should be a business and the government can set up a voucher system. If you want an education then prove it and the goverment will hook you up with a voucher. If you and your "parents" are lazy asses then you go to the school you deserve....heck, I'm cool with the government keeping "public" schools funded for those people. A bright Mexican, or name the ethnic group, who is bright and values an education should get it. Public schools are a friggin joke as they are.

Health care? Shoot all the malpractice lawyers to start, or make the judicial system accountable for greedy frivilous lawsuits. Attack the pharmecedicals and their price gouging. Make smoking illegal (then I would quit) Make fat people pay more. Stop wasting valuable emergency room time and expense on walk in poor people. Give them some damn coverage we are paying for it anyways......then tackle the other 1000 issues involved in reforming health care.

Socialism? We do it for the rich now. Sugar subsidies for one.
We are for privatization in profit and socialism in debt. Gee, I wonder what group of people came up with that? But when we want it the other way, well then you have the screams of socialism as if it is a dirty word...like...like....communism! You dirty Reds! They aren't freedom fighters....they are, Terrorist! They aren't French Fries...they are now American fries.

Bottom line, OP, even if we voted for Lyndon Larouche this Country would not change....we have 2 other branches of government that would insure that.

Oh and for the rest of you "socialist" fear mongers. Go read the 16th Amendment. That is when socialism got the nod here in this Country. You are just a bit late to be complaining about it now. "income tax"

Don't blame me! None of you people wanted Huckabee or Ron Paul enough to make either of them viable on Tuesday. How many of you Socialism fearmongers voted for either of them in the primaries?

Dude, Op, feel free to vote for Obama. Scalia has your back.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Socialism can best be describe as a system that distributes the wealth more equally, or where everything is fair. The guy not working as hard will be just as well off as the guy working his butt off. Sounds good on paper, but in practice it doesn't work. Despite what anyone tells you. It definitely won't work in America. Here is why.

Ok first America is already semi-socialist. Public Education, Welfare, Unemployment, Social Security, and Union Labor.

Those are all socialist programs. Now despite what red leader tells you Universal Health Care is not free. If he has a job he pays for it.

Universal Health Care is like a 80/20 system, if you need a regular check up or are not in dire need of medical attention then its good, if your in dire need of medical attention then you don't benefit from it. That is why a lot of people in Canada that can afford it come to America for their health care.

Second, Canada Produces a lot of its own oil, so does those European nations. They also manufacture a lot of their own goods, also the unemployment rate in those countries are growing.

Third, you will find some of the highest tax burdens in the world in these countries.

Fourth, and the most important, all these countries that have a semi-socialist systems all have population under 100 million.

So what you see is that this semi-socialist system has its down falls that you don't ever hear people talk about, which is high unemployment and it usually among the younger crowd because why work when the government provides everything for you and do better than some person working his butt off for less.

Obama's policies will be a disaster for America because comparing the USA to these other countries is apples and oranges.

So in short,

USA - 300+ Million people, and a runaway illegal alien problem that drains the resources of the system

Semi-Socialist Nations - Under 100 million population and very little illegal immigration

USA - Imports most of its goods

Semi-Socialist Nations - Manufactures most of its good

USA - lower tax burden
Semi-Socialist Nations - high tax burden


That is a rough comparison of what the real deal is. So the question is do you really want to move too a more socialist nation where the tax burden on the middle class is going to go up.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Hastobemoretolife]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by Res Ipsa
geez people, so black and white about this. Dude, Op, feel free to vote for Obama. Scalia has your back.


You know Res, if you don't get multiple stars for this post, I will be amazed.

Well said.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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Wow you must be a doctor.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

......So in short,

USA - 300+ Million people, and a runaway illegal alien problem that drains the resources of the system

Semi-Socialist Nations - Under 100 million population and very little illegal immigration

USA - Imports most of its goods

Semi-Socialist Nations - Manufactures most of its good

USA - lower tax burden
Semi-Socialist Nations - high tax burden


That is a rough comparison of what the real deal is. So the question is do you really want to move too a more socialist nation where the tax burden on the middle class is going to go up.


Tax goes up and down, but it seems we are losing our manufacture. Middle tax can go up, but has to deliver a real improvement in school, college, investing in tech and manufacture. My fear is that when India is fully educated, Microsoft, Apple and even Nintendo will go there......



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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So you must be Canadian then huh?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:35 PM
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My school is public and to tell you what, our school values our education SO much were one of the top schools for education in the country. Every year they make it harder to graduate
but i will look back upon this and thank them for their toughness on us



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:38 PM
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tsk,tsk,tsk.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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No, I'm American.

Who do you think pays the doctors wages? Who do you think pays for the drugs? The people that work and pay taxes.

Also with the advent of Google you can find a lot of answers that you have questions too.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Hastobemoretolife]



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:42 PM
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Sarah Palin AND ALASKA?



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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OK, so we do have some problems with our health care system. Let me ask you this though: Is it not better for every single person to have access to a relatively good medical system, than for only some to have access to an awesome system, while others are relegated to a really crappy system?

Just for the record, I have never known nor ever heard of any Canadian going to America for health car. Why??? you might ask- Because it is prohibitively expensive.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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you said what i was pretty much going to say.

ive always been into the socialist party more than the rest, pretty much as i think thats what is needed for a better country / world.

rather than everyworking for the benefit of a few fat cats, we work for the benefit of everyone, i always thought that was fair enough.

and i cant complain at all about free health care ect, as im from the uk and i grew up not knowing any different . Its one reason america always seems strange and scary to me due to the non free healthcare.

oh ye, and btw ..hehehe, where has capatisim actualy got us? its got generations of my family (and most other familys and people i know)nothing but working for the select few to no real gain and a total farce of a monetary system.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by boaby_phet]






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