The moronic tyranny of the "there´s no proof" crowd, page 15
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reply posted on 15-11-2008 @ 02:01 PM by Skyfloating
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Thanks for the sig add

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To a few others: The fact that you take this thread to be a thread against asking proof or a thread against skeptics again displays the amount of stupidity run rampant here.

This is NOT a skeptic-bashing thread. It is about the morons who interrupt when people are enjoying themselves speculating about various aspects of life.



reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:44 AM by antar
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As previously mentioned, I do not see that you actually 'get' the meaning of the title.

As I sat reading the OP I knew that it was not headed in a one way direction. That the integrity of Skys reputation would not allow this thread to descend into a skeptic bashing, rather the moronic baseless shouts of the either naive or just plain ignorants who have found their niche on the forum running in packs to condescend all threads which have conspiracies and secrets attached to them thsat cannot be discussed and disclosed by conventional methods ie proof.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:49 AM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by antar
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post by JohnnyCanuck



As previously mentioned, I do not see that you actually 'get' the meaning of the title.

As I sat reading the OP I knew that it was not headed in a one way direction. That the integrity of Skys reputation would not allow this thread to descend into a skeptic bashing...


Yes, but that is not apparent from the title. Sure you ought to read the whole thread before adding a comment, but that doesn't always happen either. I hit this thread early on, don't know the OP, and I took offence.

It's a bad title, and is getting appropriate responses. I just find the mewling about it is getting tiresome.



reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 09:25 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck



Yes, I take part of the blame. I knew beforehand that there would be knee-jerk reactions to what people THINK it is about, rather than reading or thinking first.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:04 AM by dariousg
Originally posted by whiskeyswiller
I agree with you, no one should ask for proof or be skeptical at all and we should all blindly accept things and not think critically.

The moon is made out of blue cheese and no one can disagree with me so i just think everything is so much better without thought or testing or truth.

No one should ever ask for proof or point out there is no proof.

That'd be silly.


I think you, and zeroknowledge in the following post missed the point completely.

There is a huge difference of asking for proof and ignoring the evidence that the posters generally make. Now, yes, there are posts where statements are made with zero substance to back them up. They are simply 'statements' of personal opinion at that point. That is NOT what the OP is touching on here.

There is a blind arrogance by the self proclaimed skeptic on here and in the world that, without regard for the evidence being presented, fall back on the absolute proof and fact argument which is actually quite weak. If you have 'PROOF' that what the person is stating is false then you should provide that proof or simply stay out of the discussion.

Asking questions of the poster and trying to work through the discussion is actually what this site is about. Not by showing your brilliance and skeptical brain by blindly throwing everything that isn't within your realm of reality out the window simply because it doesn't fit.

Granted, there are times and circumstances where this is probably a good approach. I know as well as you that there are MANY subjects on this site that are just plain crazy. Then again, so was man flying through the skies on mechanical beasts. That was stated as 'NO WAY IT CAN HAPPEN' in the late 1800's by the 'LEADING SCIENTISTS and PHYSICISTS' of the day. That is why the Wright brothers were never allowed to demo before these genius' of the age. They didn't want their view of reality challenged by these men that have done what they have publicly stated over and over as impossible. That we were 10,000 years from being able to do it.

Okay, we all know what the FACT is now but back there the fact was that it was impossible.

In other words, you need to open your mind a bit and, without blindly accepting things and not thinking critically, have a discussion with these people and see WHY they believe what they believe. Then maybe you can challenge it logically.

No one is asking for a skeptic to give up all thought on subjects. Just to stop being ignorant of the 'what if' that we keep learning as 'what is' every single day.


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 05:30 AM by Skyfloating
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There is a polar opposite to the moronic "give me proof" crowd...and thats the even more moronic "Its true, because I want to believe it" crowd.


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 06:25 AM by TheIrvy
Of course there's also the "It's can't be true because I don't believe in..."

We cry for evidence that something is real, how about evidence for things not being real? We're currently hearing rumours and hints at an upcoming disclosure about the existence of extraterrestrials. Of course, the big question on my mind is whether or not what we'll see on our televisions will be true or fabricated, but it does lead to an interesting question. If aliens "come out" and the populace at large comes to accept their existence as a fact and not a theory or possibility, how will that global change of acceptence impact the ancient astronaut theory? If we do have Obamarama on television introducing us to our first ET, if the alien starts to fit the descriptions given in Sumerian and other ancient carvings all around the world, like us but on a bigger scale (kinda sounds fractal, doesn't it?), if they have technology that can cause rocks to "grow" into buildings and statues, I'm sure there'll be some interesting threads started on here.

Worse still is "I don't believe it because I don't understand it". Now I don't understand the Timewave curve. How exactly did McKenna quantify "novelty"? It's a very vague, could be good, could be bad, not sure what it is kind of thing, but I don't allow my absolute lack of mathematical skill to blind me to the fact that we live in a highly fractal, highly mathematical universe. If I were to take the Oct 25th event, for example, many people decided in their own heads that Novelty=Doom and have decided the entire project is now a hoax because events didn't occur in the manner they had pre-decided they must in order for the timewave to be true. That's like denying to believe your parents bought you a birthday present because they didn't give you exactly what you wanted.

I believe we live in a fractal universe. If we look at ourselves, we are all identical, and yet we are all unique. We are also infinitely complex. Look at the basic structure of a sperm cell. It's essentially a ball with a tail, a sphere with an extrusion. Now imagine a scan photo of a fetus. We see the head and the spine. A ball and a tail. When I draw a person, I was taught to start by drawing an oval for the head, and then carry the line down to follow the spine, and that is our basic form if you look at a skeleton from the side. Our head is obvious and pronounced, and followed by the tail of our spines. Now look at your earlobe, and the spine of your ear. This also links into reflexology, a little understood medical practise that some believe relies on the fractal composition of our bodies. We can carry on. Nose, nostrils, brows, our eyes as seen from the side, our tongue, our teeth, our arms, legs, fingers, toes, even our genitals, are all made up from that same recurring shape. And if we pull out a strand of hair? We see at the end of the extrusion of hair the ball of the root, looking very much like the sperm cell we all started with. Many of the organs in our body, our circulatory system, our lungs, all are constructed fractally.

Fractals are infinitely complex. To my (admittedly biased) mind, the very nature of fractals screams at us that if we are all identical but unique, we're not the seed fractal, we're each an aspect of the fractal, meaning there must be other levels of the fractal above us. There must be more advanced versions of our fractal design, larger in scale, taller, stronger, longer lived, more powerful. There must also, way up the levels, be the original seed fractal, the all-encompassing expression of the fractal that every level below is made up in.

The universe is a wonderous place. Don't refuse to consider possibilities just because you can't explain or prove it.
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