Obama wants to create a Civilian National Security Force. Why???

Originally posted by mysticblue
What concerns me is the size and power that Obama wants for the "group"

I saw another blogger state "kids always rat on their parents" who needs Big brother watching when your own blood is watching.

What powers do members of Americorps and the Peace Corps have? Are they going to terrorize people with their pencils and clipboards. Big brother? Hello! Where have you been the last eight years? Heck, where have you been the last century? If you want a return to civil rights and privacy then do as I do and write and/or call your elected officials. Squeaky wheels get the grease.

It sounds like some board members have given up on democracy. Can someone suggest a viable alternative?

i think this is a great idea, obviously he took the idea from the people of Switzerland. This would really uphold the constitution and probably even bring more order and peace to America if it was implemented.

Just look at Switzerland, they basically have a civilian national army. Basically every male in swissland, once they turn 18 they go to 6 months of basic training where they learn how to defend themselves, and how to use a gun. Once they finish basic training EVERYONE of them is given and required to have a rifle, and a pistol at home with a reasonable amount of ammunition. And they serve the countries citizen army...and look at how they are doing, one of the greatest countries in the world...literally

www.freerepublic.com...

It is remarkable that to this day every Swiss male over 18 must be prepared to serve in the country’s citizen-army; after completing their basic training they keep their weapons at home, and refusal to perform military service is a criminal offence. The thought must have crossed the mind of a few Swiss reservists that all too many aspiring foreigners could never be trusted with those weapons. The Swiss understand, even when they do not know, that the collective striving embodied in "We the People" makes no sense unless there is a definable "people" to support it. They sense that many immigrants have no kinship with the striving and no connection to the "people," except for the unsurprising desire to partake in its wealth.

I think if America was to implement this idea of a national citizen army. Wow just think of all that could be accomplished. if ever man, and woman once they turned 18 would go into basic training, they would come out confident and strong i think. Also it might solve allot of gun problems because people would be training to be around and handle guns. It would bring back more power to the people...

[edit on 31-10-2008 by ATSGUY]

The socialist totalitarianism rise to power uses tried and true methods.

Strategies include:

Control the media.

Disarm the population.

Staying in power relies on old reliable tactics as well:

The gestapo (help·info) (contraction of geheime Staatspolizei: "Secret State Police") was the official secret police of Nazi Germany. Under the overall administration of the Schutzstaffel (SS), it was administered by the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) ("head office of the Reich's security service") and was considered a dual organization of the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) ("security service") and also a suboffice of the Sicherheitspolizei (SIPO) ("security police").

Keeping Hitler in power
By February and March, 1942, student protests were calling for an end to the Nazi regime. These included the non-violent resistance of Hans and Sophie Scholl, two leaders of the White Rose student group. However, resistance groups and those who were in moral or political opposition to the Nazis were stalled by the fear of reprisals from the Gestapo. In fact, reprisals did come in response to the protests. Fearful of an internal overthrow, the forces of Himmler and the Gestapo were unleashed on the opposition. The first five months of 1943 witnessed thousands of arrests and executions as the Gestapo exercised their powers over the German public. Student opposition leaders were executed in late February, and a major opposition organisation, the Oster Circle, was destroyed in April, 1943.

Gestapo


In totalitarianism, unity is achieved by the eradication of dissent.

Joe the plumber for instance, is just an average American who simply asked an inconvenient question.

He was immediately investigated by the illegal use of gov computers and villified in the media.

What will American life be like under an Obama administration, with the Dem majority in the house and senate?

Obama and every other President before has wanted tons of stuff. While I despise Bush, he seems to be one of the only ones that has really done what he wanted. ( fattened his and Daddy's bank accounts ) After the Bush years Obama is gonna have his hands full with damage control, let alone starting some new BS. It ain't gonna happen. The country IS bankrupt. Its only a matter of time before some other jerkoff decides to make it official. When that happens, the World Bank/ IMF will control the USA just like they do in Argentina. Oh BTW, did anyone see how Argentina seized private pension funds to try and shore up their public debt???? better look to your own, this country's government is bankrupt and will be downgraded in credit worthiness.

PG

reply to post by stikkinikki


So when my son is forced into a "program" that is mandated by the Feds. and I have a personal conversation with my wife, he hears the coversation. He then has been told to report anything that goes against the "core values".

Then I ask this question. Why does it need to be equal or more powerful than the military we have in place?

This is how it starts, mandate it for peace, enviorment, organize and grow under false intensions. Let me ask this also How did the Nazi Party grow so big so fast. Not by saying Hey we want to go to war and take over the West!

reply to post by mysticblue


Where is it said that this is mandatory? Its all volunteer. To HELP each other. Jesus. I never knew that america was: you're on your own.

Edit: My god, all it took was one poster bringing up the SS and here we go. Almost every other post hating Obama on this thread has likened this to Hitler.


Disgusting

[edit on 31-10-2008 by bknapple32]

Anyone that has there life destoryed by so called community cr*p heads, will know what this means.

If that is not a socialist ideal, what is?

Europe has turned very socialist and now we are just waiting tfor america to join the boat fully.

reply to post by bknapple32


It is not like I am against helping one another, but how many more groups do we need? I believe I whould run out space if I listed all the groups that you can join at your free will to help anyone.

All I am asking is again why does it have to be as big as our Military or bigger?

What would happen if I started a "peaceful corp" and wanted it as strong or stronger than our existing Military.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Thank you for helping breath some common sense into this thread. I only hope more people stop approaching such subjects with a fire & brimstone outlook and see what good could come out of this.

This next message isn't pointed at particularly anyone: some of you crying NWO takeover or Nazi America in all these alarmist threads are just feeding the fearmongering machine; you're actively participating in what they are trying to accomplish. By getting you to believe some of these absolutely rediculous fallacies, you are falling rank and file to the music they play. There are two sides to every coin, the unaware masses aren't the only ones who unknowingly fall in line with them, whoever 'they' are, and their aspirations.

There is alot of horrible things our government is responsible for. There is also alot of good. George Bush during his term has actively been a part of funding AIDS relief in Africa and at home. I'm not trying to stick up for the man, but he's human, just like us. There is not one single person out there who is entirely evil.

All I'm saying is approach every individual subject with an open heart, and forget what you 'think' you know about the past. 'Overthinking, overanalyzing separates the body from the mind...'

Wow... everyone in here comparin Obama to Hitler and the SS... just wow. You people are something else.

ATS members are starting to disgust me to the core... ugh.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


He referred to the military as a template for this organzation, BH. For purposes of bolstering the National Security. He didn't speak of manning soup kitchens or planting Victory Gardens.

You can continue to close your eyes. You've already cast your vote for him. Why do you care anymore?

Civilian National Security Force. Who will man it? Maybe those illegal aliens that he wants to give driver's licenses and Social Security benefits to?

a new civilian force is still another layer in the 'group thought' model...

developing policy and producing action...via the rule-by-committee model.


who knows if the end product is used for 'good' or 'ill',
everyone will have their own viewpoint on that.

youse forgot about 'VISTA', in the slew of achronym agencies cited...i.e. Volunteers In Service To America...
except for the Obama requirement of 50-100 mh per year, the objectives seem similar.

reply to post by jsobecky


With all the odd things that Obama says he will do once in office--has it occured to anyone that the military would get fed up with him--and overthrow the government in an attempt to get the country back on track to adhere to the US constitution?

A lady at work today looked a bit shocked at the mention of Obama saying he wanted to create a Civilian Defense Force. She is from Venezuela. She said that was one of the first things Hugo Chavez did when he came to power.

This story confirms the presence of such a force:

"We must be ready for an aggression," said Chavez, who previously said Venezuela is organizing an expanded military reserve and civilian defense units.

www.foxnews.com...

Which lends credibility to Joe Biden's comment about Obama's administration being tested.

Does this mean Obama is expecting America to be invaded at some point? Who is he planning on pissing off that such an invasion might happen or what does he know that he's not saying?

WOW (not a one linerrrrr)

Don't know what to say...got'a think about this for a bit.

Always open to new ideas' for sure....but this?

Has this been shown' on the tv ? on say CNN? etc.

((thinking....k' like others have pointed out....US Army check...
National Gaurd check....Homeland Sec. check.... salvation army and such ... check.... boyscouts and such...check......now this to? hmmm?........)))))

Your (thank god' I'm) Canadian (for these elections) Friend,
Sven

reply to post by jsobecky


Either way we're still civilians under this force. Trained civilians with possibly even guns to boot. Who would he make us answer to if this **** hit the fan? What's more likely, armed civilians disregarding any kind of order to protect their own families, or a militaristic mob to do the work of the already most powerful military and police force in the world? In a worst case scenario, I just see this as a way to protect us from ourselves really.

And you do realize that if every illegal immigrant was even partially legalized, our country would see an economic boom?

WE all know the last thing America needs is more military of any kind.

We already have the largest military in expenditure and size in the entire world.

Now we need a civilian defense force?

Why?

Social policy enforcement and to stand against the American Military


Not to help each other out, I don't recall asking for help, certainly not military help of any kind.

reply to post by Tgautier13

Originally posted by Tgautier13
reply to post by jsobecky

 

Either way we're still civilians under this force. Trained civilians with possibly even guns to boot. Who would he make us answer to if this **** hit the fan? What's more likely, armed civilians disregarding any kind of order to protect their own families, or a militaristic mob to do the work of the already most powerful military and police force in the world? In a worst case scenario, I just see this as a way to protect us from ourselves really.

And do you think illegal aliens would be loyal to you and your family in such a scenario? Or would they see it as an opportunity to organize under the authority of the US gov't and seize what you have

And you do realize that if every illegal immigrant was even partially legalized, our country would see an economic boom?

Right..

New applications for state unemployment benefits were unchanged at 479,000 in the week ended Oct. 25.

www.marketwatch.com...[5C7CCC59-2AF9-4DAE-8EBF-ACABE64EFBB9]&dist=msr_1

Where is this boom going to come from, since Obama is going to make it much harder on small business?

Do any of you have any details of what this "security force" would be? It's really ridiculous to sit here and speculate on his intentions AND NO ONE HAS EVEN YET POSTED WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS, WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL, AND IF HE EVEN HAS A PLAN LAID OUT TO DO IT YET.

So far we know this:

Nothing.

Well, unless you consider libel and unfounded speculation to be something.

The US military is planning for continuous ongoing and similtainious conflicts in multiple theaters. This would spread our troops and armements thin, leaving America without the means to properly defend its boarders.

Please do not think the current and future enemies of America would not invade us with ground troops.

A well armed civillian malitia would be necessary to protect American soil.

The next world war may end with WMD but, it will not start that way.

A properly equiped civillian population malitia would protect us from our external enemies and also from a demestic power or government gone wrong.

Research what our military is planning for, it is ground war on a global scale.

A well informed and well armed civillian malitia would be a positive step for the people of America.

PS Even Mexico has a growing movement to reclaim American soil that it claims we stole from them.We may not always be able to consider them an allie.


[edit on 1-11-2008 by deepred]