Im not against evolution in fact i believe it is almost comletely correct (almost because we dont know yet exactly how life started). What I am against is this finger pointing back and forth between the theists and athiests. These points will be argued continually till the end of time but evidence from both sides must be considered without biased based on preassumptions

I will never disagree with Darwin but I do think evolution has many flaws. I think none of us know enough to be so sure of our position as to nullify to opposing point of view as anit-intellectual. I am stuck in the middle some where and I am not an intellectual but I think all of our theories are flawed.

How can two different species of shark in captivity have a pup with out the presence of a male shark and the absence of male DNA. Biologist are puzzled and I still have not heard an explanation.

How can a distant light in between galaxies, in dead space, suddenly appear, grow brighter for 20 days and dim at the same rate as it brightened, only to disappear altogether. Nasa has not given an explanation and withheld the information while trying to decide what to do with it.

Why do opjects get heavier the faster they move and once reaching the speed of light they weigh infinity. How can something weigh infinity? Or since it is impossible to move faster then light, then why when an object reach the speed of light, other objects around it slows, only giving the illusion that the moving object is moving faster than light. Is'nt that the same as moving faster then light?

How can quantum physics tell us we have 10 dimensions and the only way this is possible is to have many universes, each with a big bang, each having different physical properties, finally coming together and merging. And if that does not sound like fantasy, the chaos theory claims there are 11 dimensions.

I think our understanding of our universe is limited. I agree that if you isolate a species for an indefinate amount of time it will mutate but I think the theory of evolution is also flawed. There are many biologist, physicist, ETC., who go to church every sunday. There are many philosophers who believe that religeon is inate, almost instinct, in human beings. Some form has always been with us and is reflected in cave drawings. I think they should teach both evolution and creationism. Why not, why does one side, either side, try and suppress the other. Just my rant.

Clearskies id like to ask why you must insist that christianity is the way to be religous. The modern christian faith is based on the catholic cannon. These were books chosen specifically by the catholic priesthood to garner faith and sheeple. It was never meant to be a doctrine of spiritual growth but to foster control of the masses. I believe that the is a "God" "intellegent designer" whatever you like to call it. But i also believe that he wants us to search himself out for ourselves and not be lead by a church that has its best interests at heart not yours. Im faithful but not to any one religious sect i am faithful to God I amfaithful to peace and love and brotherhood. I am faithful that Jesus preached a message of peace for the world, but i am also faithful that the catholic church is corrupt and that other christian sects are narrow-minded often rascist and biased against people of color different sexual orientation and whatever else. Try preaching the message of God and not the message of the catholic church and you may be surprised at the positive results

Originally posted by Clearskies
That's the thing. You call yourself an 'atheist'. One who says there is No God.

actually an athiest is one without faith, to claim there is no god needs faith as you cant prove god doesnt exist

the possability of god existing is so slim its super crazy but thats a bit long so it gets shorthened to "no god" for ease of use

An 'agnostic' is one who doesn't know and therefore is humble enough to state such.
Become an agnostic and you may become a Christian.

no an agnostic is one who beleives there is a god but just doesnt beleive its one we understand or are able to comprehend


and what southern got to do with it? geography has no merit or effect on the fact your making homophobic remarks, you have hate in your heart so id rather not be around you

Originally posted by liveandlearn
May I suggest that those who thrust creationism on society are those who require the old testament to justify their own belief. If the Jewish myths are dscounted, Christianty, among other religions, has nothing to stand on.

Just a thought.

Not really. If Christianity were to focus on it's own book, the New Testament, it would be a far better religion. But instead some follow the teachings of the old book, and let's face it, the God of the Old Testament is a (starts with pr and ends in ick)!!!

Evidence is something creationism does not want to hear about. You know why? Because there is no evidence supporting their belief in intelligent design.

In 21st century we can not call theories built on belief (in this case belief in creationism) sane.

Some people are so dumb that, if I would create and start to popularize a new belief system that the world is created by EPENCHUCHEK and he is watching out for us, I would gain followers. Trust me.

All I need to do is present it in a convincing manner... possibly with rituals...
People do not care about evidence - they enjoy living in illusion.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by FIFIGI]