40pc believe others don't belong in Australia - racism, page 3
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reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:53 AM by Agit8dChop
reply to post by Phazon




then you obviously didnt bother reading any of the replies.

why lie?



reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 04:43 AM by candyfloss
This is a really interesting subject and good on the poster for bringing it up as I think more and more people find themselves living in multicutural areas in many cities in the world.
Racism is a real hot potato nowadays and everybody has anecdotes and personal experiences ,good and bad.
Personally,my experience has taught me that racism is'nt just peculiar to white people.It seems to be pretty universal but I get the impression white people are speaking their minds now and are less afraid of the spectre of 'Un-PCness',which is good as we can explore issues and why people feel the way they do as opposed to feeding into extremeism as the only place to vent.
Also,it's important to remember people are individuals and people can and do change eg,I knew someone from the East End of London who used to beat up Pakastanis when they first arrived here from Uganda .Yet when I met him he was a revolutionary socialist and therefore Anti-Nazi.

A real heartening community project I saw on a local news report way back was a multi -racial womens cookery project where women bonded and taught each other how to cook their way.It worked and did alot for social cohesion in that area.

Why can't we all just get along?Alot of reasons.Intolerence is one.I remember seeing news reports of the 'Wog Bashing Day' in Oz.Thousands of people turned up to protest against ,among other things,harrasment and rape of young women on the local beach by Muslim youths who were tried in court and reportedly jeered at the defendant.Not defending the actions of the 'wog Basher'protesters but you can understand their anger.

But does these incidents give us hard evidence that all Aussies are racists and all Muslim youths share the views of the youg men brought to justice mentioned above?I don't think so.Like I said we are all individuals and we can change for the better.


reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 05:50 AM by enlighten2012
reply to post by candyfloss



exactly....
regardless if these youths were aussies, indians or iranians..... there would have still been a rally because of the unimaginable things they did to the poor girl. btw....i would have called them worse then WOGS!!
(btw...i'm a wog myself and been called it many a time. care factor O)


i think australia experiances ethnic discrimination rather than racial because of the influx of immigrants over the past few years. my generation (in melbourne) saw turkish, chinese and of late africans arrive in droves. first it was 'look how much trouble the turks cause', then it was 'look how much trouble the chinese cause', .....you get the drift.

people dont like change period and when your home, so to speak, has unexpected visitors, you get defensive and annoyed alittle, no?
this is whats happening, of course on a larger scale, and until we become more tolerant and taught how to accept 'change' of any kind....we will remain as we are.


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 03:41 AM by candyfloss
reply to post by enlighten2012



Yes,it's like that in Britain too.I think people are resentful cos they feel like all this has been foisted upon them'I did'nt vote for this'.When you add dumb political policies into the mix there's bound to be trouble. Weneed more communication all round I think.


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 10:42 AM by Flighty
Rights, Reconciliation, Respect and Responsibility -
www.news.com.au...

Instead of preaching this to Australians ,why not make this module a must read as part of migration conditions.
Then we could all live happily ever after.



reply posted on 25-10-2008 @ 04:48 PM by Melbourne_Militia
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Why do many posts here state plainly that non-whites are basically criminals, and whites are not?



Why? Because going by the statistics it is the truth. There is nothing bigoted or racist or made up about it. Those living here know that and it is why that is stated in most posts.

Vietnamese, Middle Eastern and in recent times African immigrants are major players in crime here and you see it on the news all the time. This is also backed up in the yearly police crime stats.

Heres some examples I just found albeit not very current they represent what most of us here have grown up with.





As you can see on the graphs the top 3 ethnic groups that have been most active in crime over that time frame are Vietnamese, Lebanese & Turkish immigrants.

The following is some data from the Australian Institute of Crime -
www.aic.gov.au...

Australian Evidence
• Arrest/offenders processed statistics from Victoria for the five year period
1993-94 to 1997-98 display the following patterns:
The overall arrest rate of alleged offenders from no migrant group display a
consistently rising trend over the five year period. However, alleged
offenders born in the Russian Federation, Romania, Vietnam, Former
Yugoslavia, New Zealand, Turkey, and Lebanon were processed at a higher
rate than the Australian-born in each of the five years. The 1997-98
statistics produce high alleged offender rates for those born in Somalia,
Uruguay, and Thailand.

Among all the groups listed in the Victorian statistics, the highest proportion
of alleged offenders processed for violent offences were the Fijian-born.
More than a third of alleged offenders born in Cambodia and Vietnam was
processed for drug offences in 1997-98, about a quarter of the alleged
offenders born in Indonesia and Thailand was also processed for drug
offences.

Since 1994-95 alleged and distinct offenders born in Vietnam were the largest overseas-born group processed by Victoria Police.


Would any of you who DONT live in Australia like some more evidence???

www.theage.com.au...

Recent gang rape attacks in Sydney focused attention on Muslim and Lebanese Australian groups when evidence was presented in court that one woman was referred to as an "Aussie pig" and was told she would be sexually assaulted "Leb style".


www.news.com.au...

PEOPLE born overseas committed one in seven of crimes in Victoria last financial year, including a quarter of rapes and one in five murders.

The anatomy of crime in Victoria, obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun, shows those born in Somalia, Lebanon and New Zealand had the highest crime-per-population rates in Victoria.

They are followed by Turkish, Vietnamese and then Australian-born criminals.

One in 20 Lebanon-born Victorians were offenders compared with one in 31 born in Australia.

The revelations have sparked calls from crime victims for tougher deportation and screening of immigrants.


I think that explains alot. But before you Yanks start criticisizing the opinions of Australians that DO live here in Australia from across the Pacific, I'd be more concerned about whats in my own backyard than looking over the fence and commenting on someone elses.....You Americans arent quite the example for the rest of the world to follow when it comes to racism, crime, and segregation.


reply posted on 26-10-2008 @ 08:12 AM by Benarius
reply to post by Melbourne_Militia



This is a reply to the drug issue.
I am not saying these charts are wrong. But you have to take into consideration who these cops are targeting. I know for a fact they protect their own while seizing from the others. And guess how that stuff gets sold back on to the streets and who makes the big bucks. As australian drug dealer or cop, I would be pissed off too when all those foreigners take away profits sending it overseas.
So you realy need to learn how to read charts. As with any statistics, there is always a fair amount of info to be considered.


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:10 PM by BlackGuardXIII
Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Why do many posts here state plainly that non-whites are basically criminals, and whites are not?



Why? Because going by the statistics it is the truth. There is nothing bigoted or racist or made up about it. Those living here know that and it is why that is stated in most posts.

Vietnamese, Middle Eastern and in recent times African immigrants are major players in crime here and you see it on the news all the time. This is also backed up in the yearly police crime stats.


There are more factors to consider than just those stats, MM, besides, I also consider what reason you have for focusing on this single issue when your nation has so many other challenges such as your continued mistreatment of the indigenous peoples. Do you ever look into the well known phenomenon of judicial discrimination towards minorities, which is definitely a factor influencing those charts' results. Numerous other factors also impact those results, such as economic disparity, social biases, and historical exclusivist and elitist policies, for a start. Today, in many ethnic groups, there exists a sizable population of mistreated people who are unable or unwilling to just forgive and forget, they want some reparations, compensation, or even punitive damages to be paid for the abuses they have suffered unjustly solely because of their ethnicity. If you feel that Australia is not ethnically biased, tell me why it took until 1967 for Aborigines to be declared persons by your government? Also, do you know what your country considered them to be prior to that point?
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