Originally posted by Fromabove
Those who have no god are to themselves a god, and so there is no moral right or wrong except for what one thinks it to be to himself. Hitler
therefore cannot be condemned for his actions, just as the 9/11 terrorists can for theirs. Both did what was morally right in their eyes. Killing
cannot be wrong, nor rape or cannibalism. Pediphelia, torture, sex with animals etc would all be just fine.
Just want to be clear here about what your saying..?
Atheists are cannibalistic pediphiles who torture and rape animals?
When you try to lump all people who have a certain belief together and then apply these labels, your point becomes muddled and soiled.
Interpretations differ from Church to Church, and even Individual to Individual, but this is a belief well versed in the Holy Book, and one which is
seen as completely acceptable within the modern confines of the Christian Church.
I respectfully disagree. There are many "modern" denominations of the Christian Church that frown upon this practice and a few that see it as
heretical. Again, its usually those denominations that follow Reformed Theology that have this view, not just Catholicism. And, some modern Christians
even view Catholicism as a cult or heresy.
I do agree with you that theology can be debated forever and I know this isn't the thread to do that in so I will end with this:
Depending on who you are and what you believe, anyone else's beliefs can seem crazy or whacko, too. Just like in the scientific realm, there has to
be some standard by which everything is defined and measured. The problem with this is that once a standard is set in place, the issue of things being
right and wrong is presented. No one wants to deal with this and would rather choose to believe that everything is "relative."
The problem with relativism is that anyone can be right and no one can be wrong. I am truly afraid of a society that believes this way.
TheAgentNineteen, thank you for your conversation. =)
The internet has allowed all, including the "critical thinking mind" to investigate any subject deemed important to them...those who have been
"indoctrinated" by religion are going to have a more difficult time dealing with the flood of info (whether it be accurate or not),....and,... as
such,... are more inclined to revert back to their "programmed" way of thinking...
Independent thought is a valuable commodity, and is vehemently discouraged by many religious groups...
Do not be dissuaded by those that promote obedience...
I am voting for Palin. She was a member of the Assembly of God. Yes, they believe in speaking in tongues. If you are interested in a different view
of what language tongues is, or where it comes from, you might want to read Whitley Strieber's "Communion." It may just blow your mind. Sarah
Palin is a breath of fresh air. Finally a political figure that can be my daughter's hero. She is beautiful, smart and kind - and a Christian too.
Our country faces perilous and dangerous times. Perhaps even a depression. We will need leaders who understand where we are and why we are cutting
coupons, having to choose between buying gas or buying food. Harvard educated men have ticketed us for the Titanic. Enron was the tip of the iceberg
-- and look at all the ivy-league CEOs that robbed the working class blind. Paelin is the beginning of a movement that says -- we are sick of typical
lying politicians - we are sick of being *. I fear however that she comes to late -like a well manicured feminine finger trying to hold back a
locomotive of filth dumped on the American taxpayer by those oh-so-smart Harvard men.
Moral Zealots, these people do not support seperation of church and state. I even heard of such things on an episode of gods warriors how there are
christian law schools trying to take control of the supreme court and want to throw away all the ideals that were put forth to this country when it
comes to religous matters. What is Americas true ideals one might ask, seperation of church and state, freedom of religion. Seems a bit of the
opposite Christian church and state, the government making laws based on christian view. Punish those who do not follow Christian morals. The
illuminati well take care of them eventually.
there was a time in this country when a catholic was looked at suspiciously if he was running for president. Kennedy had a difficult time convincing
the american people that he wouldn't let the orders from the vatican dictate he actions in the white house. and well, he did this and was elected.
now, after all this time, we have a bunch of people WANTING our elected officials to take their religion into the white house and have every agenda
set by it. and we're picking their beliefs apart on national tv. being a mormon or being a pentecoast disqualifies you from the white house?? what
about the baptists, or methodists? do they qualify?? just what denominaton is it that finds favor in the voter's eyes?
ya know wars have been started over such things, right??
Originally posted by scientist
Whether the message is "god damn america" or "god wants us to win" (the war), both are batspit crazy.
Just because your candidate's church speaks in tongues and nonsense, instead of speaking loud and critical - doesn't mean they are any more
reasonable. Personally, I would rather follow someone critical of the country, than someone that thinks war is a gift from god.
I wish I could give this more than one star. "I would rather follow someone critical of the country, than someone that thinks war is a gift from god."
Originally posted by Fathom
it is your opinion that her church is crazy NOT A FACT
the title of this thread should be changed to "Controversial Church"
in accordance with the "new political policy" instituted by SO
ANYONE who expresses joy when talking about how "God is going to destroy the world" at the "end times" is CRAZY! The video is all over the place.
There's no hiding it. Palin happily STATED that people would be flocking to Alaska because these are the "last days"...crazy.
Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same
'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle
for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as
The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the
United States and the world.
ast Sunday our research team released a video, a ten-minute mini-documentary, focusing on the Wasilla Assemblies of God and the video seemed on the
verge of a massive "viral" breakthrough when YouTube pulled it down, citing "inappropriate content."
At the point the video was censored by YouTube it had been viewed by almost 160,000 people. The short of it is that YouTube has censored a video
documentary that appeared to be close to having an effect on a hard fought and contentious American presidential election.
Apparently the preacher she was referring to that gave her a blessing has been involved in active witch hunts. Yes, actual witch hunts - as
in, going after fortune tellers and etc. for bringing curses on communities.
Edit: He held many sermons (see below) at the Wasilla Church where Palin attends, while she was getting ready to become governor. The fact that she
has mentioned this person after the fact - and commended him, speaks volumes about what she believes to be acceptable in terms of religious faith vs
According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called
Mama Jane, who ran a "divination" center called the Emmanuel Clinic.
Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Muthee to publicly declare
her a witch responsible for the town's ills and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.
Says the Monitor, "Muthee held a crusade that 'brought about 200 people to Christ.'" They set up around-the-clock prayer intercession in the
basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor, "the demonic influence -- the 'principality' over Kiambu -- was broken," and Mama
Jane fled the town.
and here is a site that lists all of the sermons the preacher held at the church, that were removed from the Church's website as soon as Palin was
announced as a running mate. Obviously, someone thought it would be a PR nightmare. So much for separation of church and state, and so much for
transparency and honesty.
if you go to the Wasilla Assembly of God web site now, all these sermons are gone. They’ve been erased. Even the page they were listed on is gone.
They were taken offline right after Sarah Palin’s vice presidential campaign was announced.
Also erased from the Wasilla Assembly of God site is any mention of Thomas Muthee. The following message was there as recently as August 25th:
“Bishop Thomas Muthee from Kenya
We were honored to have Bishop Thomas Muthee from Kenya, Africa with us. He has planted and oversees over 400 churches, and has a powerful
ministry from God. You are encouraged to listen and watch these special messages from him.”
Now, that message is gone. It’s erased - even though Thomas Muthee is coming to the Wasilla Assembly of God church this weekend for a series of
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