Originally posted by jam321
...Obama is running against McCain not Palin.

Just an observation.

Personally I'm not so sure. I ran that one by some well-read folk in my neck of the woods and my point wasn't exacly disputed as to what is perceived. Sure, that's the official race but ever since palin stepped in who hears very much about McCain and Biden?

Even snippets of the news that unfortunately managed to graze my conciousness seem to play Obama against Palin more than McCain.

Originally posted by jam321
Sooner or later people will begin to feel that Obama and his people are taking it too far by some of the things they are bringing up.

I think it's causing them votes by the minute.

I've complained in several threads that from my vantage point, Obama supporters are guilty of the very nonsense Bush supports dished out over the last eight years.

The ends may be different, but the means appear the same. Pathetic.

Are Americans honestly capable of choosing anyone sane ?

Is there anyone sane on offer ?


Truly, the US would fare far better if it were handed some other nation's leader instead of the choice before US voters.

Ex-Prime Minister John Winston Howard from Australia, for example. He's free and still has a few years left in him.

He's as corrupt as all the US candidates, but he's saner, more believable, less hysterical. And it's doubtful he could make any greater mess of the US economy than exists now.

The only way out of the US financial disaster would require an end to the handouts to Israel --- massive cuts in military spending -- and an end to government by Big Business. Not just an end to outsourcing, but massive taxes on all imported goods. And Mexicans back to Mexico. That would be a start.

The US would stand a chance most likely with Putin at the helm.
But would he take the job ? Would he even consider it ?

The fact remains though that it doesn't matter who's elected. They won't be making the decisions, just as Bush doesn't even decide which sox to wear.

The same thugs who've been running the US will still be running the US after the next election. Doesn't matter who's elected as 'leader'. And the world knows that. It will be just more government of the US via Israel.

Originally posted by RRconservative

During the Dem convention, members where supposed to call people and remind them to watch, and remind them to vote.

There was a vote? I missed it!!!

The crap is flying over the digital TV on the religious faith of both Palin and Obama. I had to turn off the darn TV after watching Greta Van Setern (misspelled) with her travel log of Wasilla, Alaska. (Beautiful fall weather was seen from the visitors center with Pioneer Peak in the background, clouds stacking up against the peaks)

Next I caught Bill O'Reilly interviewing Obama and more talk about Religion.

My question, Why is it important to Say "God Bless America" in all the political campaign speeches when prayer is illegal in public schools?

' Why is it important to Say "God Bless America"

Because the thugs behind this charade are s'n-word'ing as they insult and slap Americans' intelligence and faces

Americans are their Sheep -- their playthings -- their Golden Geese -- their cannon fodder.

Every time one of their puppet-candidates mouths 'God Save America' they are laughingly and cynically exploiting American values handed down from the TRUE patriots -- those devout, hard-working pioneers who built cabins by hand, tamed the wilderness to grow crops to feed themselves.

And those first and TRUE Americans built themselves a place of worship as a matter of priority. They found the time and energy, even though they were toiling 16 hours a day.

Now, a few hundred years later, slick zionist pimps scream 'God Save America' because they know it will stir something in the descendants of those first and true Americans. Exploitation and insult which they toss in American faces at the same time as they make promises they have no intention of honouring.

' God Save America' is candidate code for God F..k America '.

And they will.

So it comes out that she used the pulpit of this church to ask people to pray for Gods will, which was to have a pipeline in Alaska.


Very interesting.

As a believer in the Bible and Jesus Christ as God, I would like to
apologize to everyone for both of these candidates.

God's will doesn't include Palin or Obama in office. His will is described
in the Bible only. For either one of them to claim His will is to have
them in office is not only self-serving bull****, but is bordering on
heresy according to Evangelical Orthodoxy, not to start a theological
argument or anything.

I saw this same garbage criticism earlier today. How can you criticize someones positive beliefs? Is this what it has truly come down to, we now jump all over someone and bash them for being "Too" Christian? Pentecostalism is a Protestant based belief, and it follows along with Corinthians straight from the Bible. To me more specific, it follows this Core Verse of Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV)

"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

For anyone who is well versed in Biblical Passages, this is NOT something new, or weird.

Also, this is NOT "wild", or "strange" like those in Appalachia who Play with Venomous Snakes as part of their Christian Beliefs, and I know that is exactly what many are attempting to compare it to. This is a Protestant Based Theology which takes its founding belief straight from a literal Bible passage.

I must also assume that many on here have heard of the term "Born Again Christian"? Well, to be "Born Again" means that you follow 1 Corinthians 14:2. Pentecostals are also not the only Christians who hold this passage as a core of their beliefs. Many Episcopalians are also followers of these beliefs.

In Conclusion, this is only new to those who do not follow the Bible, or at the very least Protestantism. For those who do not follow the Christian Holy Book, they should understand that the theology present through Pentecostals and many Episcopalians follows a very core Bible Passage. It is a belief which was around during the time of Jesus and his Disciples, but the Catholic Church essentially cast it out of their system (Nothing against Catholics).

The very founding idea of America and the explorers which first laid down the foundations for its settlement, was for the Freedom of Religion, and your ability to Practice your beliefs without fear from Persecution. If you truly believe in holding something like this against Sarah Palin, or anyone for that matter, then you should realize the fact that you are going against one of the very core ideologies upon which this Nation was created. This is absolutely petty at best, and an attack upon Christianity at worst. Something about this "issue" is quite reminiscent of Marxism.

Arguing about Palin's church being a bunch of crazies seems kind of strange on a forum that features alien abductees, psychics, ghost hunters, conspiracy theories, global warming freaks, and people claiming they are from Zeta Reticuli or whatever ....