Those who give their complete live to any god are a danger to the world,
because religion has always brought war not peace. If you cannot make the right decisions, but let a "god" make them for you, you are thinking in an unnatural way, wich could bring danger to your enviroment. Believing in god is good, but letting a human made book dictate you whole live could be a sign that your on the wrong path.

As long as her preacher isn't preaching racism and blaming specific races for all the problems in the world, doesn't bother me. Has Palin's children been signed up for training as Christian soldiers? Does any of this actually apply to the church she attends? Could it be that this is the local church where she grew up and that is why she attends? As opposed to the church she sought out as an adult?

Originally posted by poet1b

As long as her preacher isn't preaching racism and blaming specific races for all the problems in the world, doesn't bother me.

Really? So if she were to say, blame specific religions for all the problems in the world (keeping in mind, that religions are also very culturally-specific, as is race), that would be ok?

I admit, I am being hypocritical here - because I myself tend to blame religions for the world's problems, but I also don't exclude any religion either. That is even more hypocritical.

I am having a hard time understanding why people are having such a hard time with candidates who have firm religious beliefs. In a world that seems to be getting crazier by the day, those who have a faith in God are criticized for having a moral standard to live by.
Everyone seems to think that if you are an evangelical or fundamentalist christian(as opposed to the more liberal "mainstream" churches) then you are determined to hasten the return of Christ.
Nothing could be further from the truth. While Christians anticipate the rapture, look for the appearance of the antichrist, and believe that armaggedon will occur ant the end of the seven years of tribulaton, followed by a thousand year reign of Christ, they realize that this is God's time table, not theirs.
But those who are liberal, especially the ultra-liberals seem to fear anyone who is Christian. It seems that any one who has a moral compass threatens them. These same liberals want us to let the radical muslims alone, and let them do what ever they want. What they don't seem to realize is that Muslims eagerly await the return of the last Imam, the one who will cause the entire world to convert to Islam, or die, and establish shiria law world wide.
May I ask a question to those who are criticizing Sarah Palin, George Bush and others in public office who are professing Chrisitans. Would you rather live in a country whose leaders have a firm grounding in a moral system that respects life, or one whose holy book declares that those who do not convert are to be killed? And those who leave the faith are often hunted down and killed.
There is biblical precedence for speaking in tongues, and there are two ways that it is practiced. One is a as a gift of prophecy, and when this is used in a meeting, there must be an interpreter present. (Prophecy does not always mean telling the future. It originally meant to teach and provide instruction. It over the years the word has taken a different meaning, and people now think it is only telling the future. I have attended Pentecostal churches, and I find that most of the time, the "prophecy" is a word of comfort, or a re-phrasing of certain bible phrases.)
The other use of tongues is as a prayer language, to utter those "groanings that only the spirit can expresss." This is to be used in private, when one goes into one's "prayer closet." In this way, I feel that many Pentecostals misuse this gift, unless I have misinterpted the bible, this is not to be used in assembly, because "God is not the author of confusion."
Bottom line, no church is perfect because, although the bible is the guide, humans interpret the bible, and sometimes mistakes are made, but I'd still prefer leaders who have a firm moral grounding in the teachings of Jesus.

WTF happend to the seperation of church and state????

Oh...that got buried along with the rest of the constitution I suppose.

Pfft!!!!


Cheers!!!

Originally posted by Quazga
Well if it isn't true then she should come out and distance herself from it shouldn't she?

I mean that's what Obama did when his Church was labeled crazy.

Tit for tat...

You mean she should denounce a church that doesn't spew racism and hate-filled anti-American rhetoric? I guess the pastor needs to curse America more often like Reverend Wright or come up with a few idiotic theories about AIDS being created to kill the black man, then he'd be more mainstream..

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
I am having a hard time understanding why people are having such a hard time with candidates who have firm religious beliefs. In a world that seems to be getting crazier by the day, those who have a faith in God are criticized for having a moral standard to live by.

If by "moral code" you are referring to speaking in tongues, faking seizures and speaking about god with arrogance that borders pugilism, than we have very differing views on what a moral standard is. To me, moral standard would be more along the lines of following the example set by Christ (for christians). These are fringe practices. There's nothing wrong with politicians having a moral code, or being christians.

Everyone seems to think that if you are an evangelical or fundamentalist christian(as opposed to the more liberal "mainstream" churches) then you are determined to hasten the return of Christ.
Nothing could be further from the truth. While Christians anticipate the rapture, look for the appearance of the antichrist, and believe that armaggedon will occur ant the end of the seven years of tribulaton, followed by a thousand year reign of Christ, they realize that this is God's time table, not theirs.

Right, but the problem here is that what non-religious may see as preventable disaster, or a reversible disaster - these apocalyptic Christians may see it as a necessary step in god's master plan. That's where things get really strange, and that's the difference between thinking about-end times in terms of being part of the grand scheme, or seeing end-times as being something that we can avoid (within ability)

Those who have no god are to themselves a god, and so there is no moral right or wrong except for what one thinks it to be to himself. Hitler therefore cannot be condemned for his actions, just as the 9/11 terrorists can for theirs. Both did what was morally right in their eyes. Killing cannot be wrong, nor rape or cannibalism. Pediphelia, torture, sex with animals etc would all be just fine.

It is not those who believe in God that are a danger to the world but those who have no God and no morality to guide them. Poking fun at Sarah Palin changes nothing.

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by Quazga
Well if it isn't true then she should come out and distance herself from it shouldn't she?

I mean that's what Obama did when his Church was labeled crazy.

Tit for tat...

You mean she should denounce a church that doesn't spew racism and hate-filled anti-American rhetoric? I guess the pastor needs to curse America more often like Reverend Wright or come up with a few idiotic theories about AIDS being created to kill the black man, then he'd be more mainstream..

Of course, this has nothing to do with her Church, but the separtists in Alaska are quoted as saying they hate America.. does that count?

I don't see anything wrong with the video. The World and Worldly people will never understand Spiritual things. Those that Criticize do so blindly without any knowledge of the truth, unless they know the truth and decided to reject it. When the Jews persecuted Jesus they cursed him, they beat him, they put him up in Crucifixion and in Jesus's own words "Lord forgive them for they know not what they do" those that Judge christians don't know anything about christianity, they don't know God for if they did then they would know his likeness,character and will, and those that know that, know that this is not extreme, this is mainstream "Zoe" the God kind of life. Paul spoke in tongues, the 120 in the upper room in acts 2 spoke in tongues, lemme tell you the early church was more radical than the church is today....our churches need a revival its dead and its coming. Granted, you will have the crazies in anything you do but this is not Crazy.


Keeper

Originally posted by Quazga
So it comes out that she used the pulpit of this church to ask people to pray for Gods will, which was to have a pipeline in Alaska.


Very interesting.

Interesting indeed. In light of this I think I'll stick to my initial assessment for the time being since I know what this is. The truth about what is going on has few ears and telling 99.99% or more of people they're wrong makes one unpopular (so what).

In that light, I must hint that everything you think you're seeing is something else entirely and leave it at that.