What is Obama's religion? ("My Muslim faith"), page 5
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 06:57 AM by neformore
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Heres a longer clip than a 12 second soundbyte snipped out deliberately for the purpose of shock/smear tactics.



Its a slip up. People make them all the time, on both sides.



I suggest this is a non-issue unless you have your mile wide party political fanatic blinkers on.

US Elections 2008. If its crap, its worth discussing

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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:08 AM by neformore
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Originally posted by LLoyd45
Then how often do you forget your own name when speaking to people?


Well, I've seen it done many times to be honest, especially if the person doing it has been reading something just before they speak, or see's someone they know in an audience.


also, since when is it the media's job to correct an interviewees comments? how did he know that wasn't exactly what he intended to say? I'd like to see one video where that has been done for another candidate.


I'm sure if people spent as much time looking for it as they will do trying to shoot down Obama, they'll find one

It's a gaffe for sure, but Obama doesn't even know how many states there are in the U.S.. Which do you think is more damning?


I don't think its damning to anyone except for people with a paaranoic and morbid fear of the word "muslim".


Did your "in context" version significantly change the meaning of what he said? Not really. He still had to be corrected by the reporter on what his own religious beliefs were. Doesn't that strike you as just the least bit odd?


Nope. Because, as I've said repeatedly, the mans under pressure and people make mistakes. Try actually walking a mile or so in his shoes. Hes a Presedential Candidate, being asked questions on a national platform, about all kinds of issues, and if he wins the day, he'll be potentially the most powerful politican on the planet. When he's on camera like that, theres probably millions of thoughts running through his head - point/counterpoint, inference, rebuttals, policies etc. Most of us sitting in that position would say "Hi mum" and smile at the camera like gawky idiots. What he's doing there is NOT easy.

Its the same for McCain. Hell, its the same for everybody in the public eye like that.


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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:12 AM by justme2
Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by neformore


The big difference is the mods don't come to the rescue of McCain when he makes these gaffes. Its so laughable seeing all you "objective" moderators fly to the rescue of Obama. You're just like the media in that respect.

Its so blatantly partisan.


Guess you missed this part in the Mod's posts:
"The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion."
And
"As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member."

I really am sorry not everyone agrees with you, drone .........It is after-all America, and people have the right to choose what they think. At least.....For the time being.


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:26 AM by elevatedone
reply to post by Dronetek


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


FWIW - I'm not an Obama supporter.

Not exactly sure that I'm voting for McCain either.

So there goes that theory.

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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:30 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by neformore

Well, I've seen it done many times to be honest, especially if the person doing it has been reading something just before they speak, or see's someone they know in an audience.
Have you had a physical lately? I've never forgotten what faith I belong to, or what my own name is. It could be something neurological going on.

I'm sure if people spent as much time looking for it as they will do trying to shoot down Obama, they'll find one
Well, I challenge anyone to show a reporter doing so, aside from this example. It just doesn't happen Neforemore.

I don't think its damning to anyone except for people with a paaranoic and morbid fear of the word "muslim".
I have no fear of Muslims, and have defended them on this board to my own detriment. I do fear people though, who can't be honest with me about who they are, and what they really stand for.

Nope. Because, as I've said repeatedly, the mans under pressure and people make mistakes. Try actually walking a mile or so in his shoes. Hes a Presedential Candidate, being asked questions on a national platform, about all kinds of issues, and if he wins the day, he'll be potentially the most powerful politican on the planet. When he's on camera like that, theres probably millions of thoughts running through his head - point/counterpoint, inference, rebuttals, policies etc. Most of us sitting in that position would say "Hi mum" and smile at the camera like gawky idiots. What he's doing there is NOT easy.

Its the same for McCain. Hell, its the same for everybody in the public eye like that.
People do make mistakes, no argument there. I just believe this was more of a Freudian slip than a mistake. It's very difficult to keep your guard up 24/7.


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 09:08 AM by yenko13
Originally posted by CreeWolf
Originally posted by yenko13
Originally posted by CreeWolf
I don't know what the big fuss is all about. Barack Hussein Obama is merely trying to practice what his original "religion" had taught him as a boy:

Taqiyya and Kitman
Another Link

Move on......Nothing to see here

[edit on 8-9-2008 by CreeWolf]



Then why lie just tell the truth ....See the point

He is runnig for a highest office you cant lie and gain trust


Did you bother to click on the links? Did you detect ANY sarcasm in my original post?

I'll try to explain. You see, there is a teaching in the texts of the holy books of Islam that specifically says it is OK to lie to a non-Muslim or "the enemy" in order to lull them into a sense of comfort so you can vanquish them later.

Thats.....pretty much the gist of it!

As someone said above, you don't "forget" what religion you are! Also, if you know anything about the signs of people who are telling a lie, Obama is clearly aware of what he was saying the first time and only displayed the fidgety eye-blinking when he later claimed to have "Christian belief".

If I am the one misunderstanding and you did detect the sarcasm, then I guess what I'm trying to say is that after 9-11-2001, I suppose Obama would be thinking that the electability in the U.S. of a MUSLIM would be a long-shot. A person with Obama's hunger for power would have reason enough to lie about being a practicing Muslim?


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So they lie as a religion , That says it all , I think Oprah is a Muslim
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