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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 05:05 AM by pexx421
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well, no, having sex with a 13 or 14 year old is not "pedophilia" despite what our laws may say. A pedophile is someone who has sex with a child
and a child is defined as someone who has not yet undergone physical maturity with development of adult sex characteristics, so in essence pedophilia
is sex with an undeveloped child who has yet to go through puberty. This has been considered sick i believe in most cultures through time, but i
assure, it does indeed happen today. I have patients who were raped in their early childhood, and have dated women who have had this experience as
well, and im talking pre pubescent here.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 05:08 AM by SectionEight
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At first I thought this was a real gaff on Obama's part but thinking about it I have concluded it was done on purpose and very calculated.
All during the primary he accused Clinton of trying to paint him as a Muslim and never blamed the republicans. Now after orchestrating this phoney
gaff and knowing every right wing blogger will run with it he can play out this sympathy card against the republicans also. He could not have accused
the republicans of this otherwise because in the past he only accused Hillary's camp of doing it to him. Every little detail is meticulously gone
over for these primetime interviews, the likelihood of a gaff is less than it appears when you realize there is strategy behind it.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 06:23 AM by Starwatcher
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Why can't we ever get an athiest or someone who believes in a god but not religion to run for president... Always religion this religion that = war
here and war there... so sick of it. It is ok to have faith without religion and you have far less corruption to deal with. I mean come on how can
people actually put all there faith in fictional books when all you have to do is look at the night sky. It is that simple.
P.S. Obama is a snake just as any other person to run for president the last 40 years. Pick your posion, nothing will change. People behind the
scenes run this country not the president.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 06:57 AM by neformore
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Heres a longer clip than a 12 second soundbyte snipped out deliberately for the purpose of shock/smear tactics.
Its a slip up. People make them all the time, on both sides.
I suggest this is a non-issue unless you have your mile wide party political fanatic blinkers on.
US Elections 2008. If its crap, its worth discussing
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:22 AM by LLoyd45
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Originally posted by neformore
Heres a longer clip than a 12 second soundbyte snipped out deliberately for the purpose of shock/smear tactics.
Its a slip up. People make them all the time, on both sides.
I suggest this is a non-issue unless you have your mile wide party political fanatic blinkers on.
US Elections 2008. If its crap, its worth discussing
My name is Neformore, and I approved this message
[edit on 8/0908/08 by neformore] So, how many times has someone had to correct you on what your religious beliefs are Neforemore? Even your
extended version doesn't answer that question.
I can understand getting extremist and al queda confused when speaking, that's a much more complicated and involved issue than, am I of the Christian
or Muslim faith. That rates right up there with forgetting your own name.
I like how you criticize the use of sound bytes, then post your own 36 sec. one to make a point.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:33 AM by neformore
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
So, how many times has someone had to correct you on what your religious beliefs are Neforemore? Even your extended version doesn't answer that
question.
I don't have a religion, so thats kind of a non-issue for me. What I will say is that when people are speaking under pressure, they make mistakes.
Obama is under huge pressure right now as a political/ideological leader for the Dems. I can understand how he did it.
I can understand getting extremist and al queda confused when speaking, that's a much more complicated and involved issue than, am I of the Christian
or Muslim faith. That rates right up there with forgetting your own name.
So the man who could be POTUS, and responsible for taking a country to war not knowing the difference between potential enemies is not as big a gaffe?
Really?
I like how you criticize the use of sound bytes, then post your own 36 sec. one to make a point.
The video I posted shows the whole thing in context. Its not the length of the vid that the issue, its the context. Yes, McCain is also under the same
pressure as Obama is, but from the Republican side.
My point being is that when people talk under pressure, they make mistakes. Its the same for both sides.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:48 AM by elevatedone
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahleeeeeeeeeeeeeease
I guess no one else has ever said a wrong word when speaking. 
Thats it, simply put, thats it.
Heck, the other day, I called my wife by her sister-in-laws name. Why, becuase we had just been talking about her. Simple slip up.
Bottom Line, nothing more to be seen, move on, get over it.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:49 AM by Open_Minded Skeptic
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Just my 0.02...
I think you guys are mis-interpreting Obama's response. To me, he was saying that McCain has never said anything about his (Obama's) Muslim faith,
meaning that McCain has himself never participated in that particular smear.
If he were speaking in a less formal setting, he probably would have used his hands to put air quotes around it, as in
my "Muslim faith".
So I think you guys are way off base with this whole thing.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:51 AM by LLoyd45
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Originally posted by neformore
I don't have a religion, so thats kind of a non-issue for me. What I will say is that when people are speaking under pressure, they make mistakes.
Obama is under huge pressure right now as a political/ideological leader for the Dems. I can understand how he did it.
Then how often do you forget your own name when speaking to people?
also, since when is it the media's job to correct an interviewees comments? how did he know that wasn't exactly what he intended to say? I'd like
to see one video where that has been done for another candidate.
So the man who could be POTUS, and responsible for taking a country to war not knowing the difference between potential enemies is not as big a
gaffe? Really?
It's a gaffe for sure, but Obama doesn't even know how many states there are in the U.S.. Which do you think is more
damning?
The video I posted shows the whole thing in context. Its not the length of the vid that the issue, its the context. Yes, McCain is also under
the same pressure as Obama is, but from the Republican side.
My point being is that when people talk under pressure, they make mistakes. Its the same for both sides.
Did your "in context" version
significantly change the meaning of what he said? Not really. He still had to be corrected by the reporter on what his own religious beliefs were.
Doesn't that strike you as just the least bit odd?
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:00 AM by Dronetek
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:08 AM by neformore
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
Then how often do you forget your own name when speaking to people?
Well, I've seen it done many times to be honest, especially if the person doing it has been reading something just before they speak, or see's
someone they know in an audience.
also, since when is it the media's job to correct an interviewees comments? how did he know that wasn't exactly what he intended to say? I'd like
to see one video where that has been done for another candidate.
I'm sure if people spent as much time looking for it as they will do trying to shoot down Obama, they'll find one
It's a gaffe for sure, but Obama doesn't even know how many states there are in the U.S.. Which do you think is more damning?
I don't think its damning to anyone except for people with a paaranoic and morbid fear of the word "muslim".
Did your "in context" version significantly change the meaning of what he said? Not really. He still had to be corrected by the reporter on what his
own religious beliefs were. Doesn't that strike you as just the least bit odd?
Nope. Because, as I've said repeatedly, the mans under pressure and people make mistakes. Try actually walking a mile or so in his shoes. Hes a
Presedential Candidate, being asked questions on a national platform, about all kinds of issues, and if he wins the day, he'll be potentially the
most powerful politican on the planet. When he's on camera like that, theres probably millions of thoughts running through his head -
point/counterpoint, inference, rebuttals, policies etc. Most of us sitting in that position would say "Hi mum" and smile at the camera like gawky
idiots. What he's doing there is NOT easy.
Its the same for McCain. Hell, its the same for everybody in the public eye like that.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:12 AM by justme2
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Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by neformore
The big difference is the mods don't come to the rescue of McCain when he makes these gaffes. Its so laughable seeing all you "objective"
moderators fly to the rescue of Obama. You're just like the media in that respect.
Its so blatantly partisan.
Guess you missed this part in the Mod's posts:
"The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion."
And
"As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member."
I really am sorry not everyone agrees with you, drone .........It is after-all America, and people have the right to choose what they
think. At least.....For the time being.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:15 AM by neformore
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by Dronetek
The big difference is the mods don't come to the rescue of McCain when he makes these gaffes. Its so laughable seeing all you "objective"
moderators fly to the rescue of Obama. You're just like the media in that respect.
You aren't reading are you?
Originally posted by neformore
Yes, McCain is also under the same pressure as Obama is, but from the Republican side.
My point being is that when people talk under pressure, they make mistakes. Its the same for both sides.
I'm not flying to anyones rescue. I'm not even posting as a moderator (read the tags above and below the post). I'm giving my opinion that
people make mistakes, on both sides of hte political spectrum, and saying that I can't see what the big deal is. The McCain vid I posted is to
show that both sides make mistakes. I really don't care about what he said either.
You're trying to make an issue there when there isn't one.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:26 AM by elevatedone
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reply to post by Dronetek
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
FWIW - I'm not an Obama supporter. 
Not exactly sure that I'm voting for McCain either.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:28 AM by SectionEight
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You guys are all bickering over a staged event. It was a shill so he can now point fingers at the republicans. He couldn't do that before this, he
even admitted it in the very staged interview in which he did this by saying McCain hasn't done it to him. He only accused Hillary of it up till now.
It was an important tool to attack her with and gain sympathy. Now he can take the same tool out against the republicans. Every blogger is running
this story, they played right into his bag of tricks.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:30 AM by LLoyd45
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Originally posted by neformore
Well, I've seen it done many times to be honest, especially if the person doing it has been reading something just before they speak, or see's
someone they know in an audience.
Have you had a physical lately? I've never forgotten what faith I belong to, or what my own name is. It
could be something neurological going on.
I'm sure if people spent as much time looking for it as they will do trying to shoot down Obama, they'll find one Well, I challenge
anyone to show a reporter doing so, aside from this example. It just doesn't happen Neforemore.
I don't think its damning to anyone except for people with a paaranoic and morbid fear of the word "muslim".
I have no fear of
Muslims, and have defended them on this board to my own detriment. I do fear people though, who can't be honest with me about who they are, and what
they really stand for.
Nope. Because, as I've said repeatedly, the mans under pressure and people make mistakes. Try actually walking a mile or so in his shoes. Hes
a Presedential Candidate, being asked questions on a national platform, about all kinds of issues, and if he wins the day, he'll be potentially the
most powerful politican on the planet. When he's on camera like that, theres probably millions of thoughts running through his head -
point/counterpoint, inference, rebuttals, policies etc. Most of us sitting in that position would say "Hi mum" and smile at the camera like gawky
idiots. What he's doing there is NOT easy.
Its the same for McCain. Hell, its the same for everybody in the public eye like that.
People do make mistakes, no argument there. I just believe this was more of a Freudian slip than a mistake. It's very difficult to keep your
guard up 24/7.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 08:33 AM by LLoyd45
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Originally posted by SectionEight
You guys are all bickering over a staged event. It was a shill so he can now point fingers at the republicans. He couldn't do that before this, he
even admitted it in the very staged interview in which he did this by saying McCain hasn't done it to him. He only accused Hillary of it up till now.
It was an important tool to attack her with and gain sympathy. Now he can take the same tool out against the republicans. Every blogger is running
this story, they played right into his bag of tricks.
Obama already has accused the McCain camp of being behind these type of posts, despite
the fact he's the only one who has paid bloggers.
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 09:08 AM by yenko13
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Originally posted by CreeWolf
Originally posted by yenko13
Originally posted by CreeWolf
I don't know what the big fuss is all about. Barack Hussein Obama is merely trying to practice what his original "religion" had taught him
as a boy:
Taqiyya and Kitman
Another Link
Move on......Nothing to see here 
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Then why lie just tell the truth ....See the point
He is runnig for a highest office you cant lie and gain trust
Did you bother to click on the links? Did you detect ANY sarcasm in my original post?
I'll try to explain. You see, there is a teaching in the texts of the holy books of Islam that specifically says it is OK to lie to a non-Muslim or
"the enemy" in order to lull them into a sense of comfort so you can vanquish them later.
Thats.....pretty much the gist of it!
As someone said above, you don't "forget" what religion you are! Also, if you know anything about the signs of people who are telling a lie, Obama
is clearly aware of what he was saying the first time and only displayed the fidgety eye-blinking when he later claimed to have "Christian
belief".
If I am the one misunderstanding and you did detect the sarcasm, then I guess what I'm trying to say is that after 9-11-2001, I suppose Obama would
be thinking that the electability in the U.S. of a MUSLIM would be a long-shot. A person with Obama's hunger for power would have reason enough to
lie about being a practicing Muslim?
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So they lie as a religion , That says it all , I think Oprah is a Muslim
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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 09:59 AM by The Cyfre
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You guys aren't listening. The entire quote was taken out of context. Please look for my last post where it's explained pretty plainly. Obama meant
to say Muslim Faith because he was making a point that McCain hasn't talked about his Muslim Faith as if he had a muslim faith.
There are so many other opportunities for you guys to come after Obama. Why waste your energy on something you know is incorrect?
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