reply to post by RogerT
I am not an "ist" at all, really.
I wasnt seeking enlightenment. I wanted to be a corporate raider, and sell my soul for the materialistic dream. And, I was at the top of my class
and well on my way to getting there.
I think what happens when someone becomes enlightened and becomes an Arse, as you poetically phrase it, lol, is that the light goes on, but perhaps
the whole ride isnt over. It was a sudden event for me, and unsolicited, but it was followed by years of sorting. If you have had the same sort of
thing, you know it is an experience, "beyond the mind" or in other words, the mind cannot really grasp or make sense in a "knowing" way what you
experienced. So, for me, there were years of reading other peoples experiences of enlightenment, and just "listening," so I could see how they
were able to "make sense" of it with the inadequate mind.
I honestly do not see how one could have the light go on, and not be humbled. Only the ego can feel "better than." Only the ego sees others.
Sure, even after the light goes on, the ego remains, and you do have to deal with it, but if you got a really good look around the room, you know you
are not that. I still see "others" but I know they are not different or really separate from who I am when I am not "me."
Enlightenment does only mean that the "light came on." I guess it depends on whether or not it was on long enough (or reflection after the fact
further illuminates) to make it clear that the Ego, the idea of a separate identity is only a shadow. It isnt "destroyed" violently, but if the
light fills the entire "room" no shadows are. Then, even when the light dims again, you are left with the shadow, but you know that it is only a
shadow. You never again mistake it for more than a short while for "you."
What you seem to be describing are Egos that have grabbed the enlightenment experience and said "It was for ME, I am SPECIAL." Which means the
dispelling of the shadow was incomplete, and the shift of identification from Shadow to Self never actually occurred.