posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 10:52 AM
[Matthew 24, better known as the "Olivet Prophecy" gives an account of the tribulation and nowhere in that account does Jesus specify a group of
people vanishing before His return.]
I would need more time to answer this question...Just so you know it has only been recently that I started to dig deep into this.I want to learn the
truth not just what we have been taught ..since I know for a fact that some of what the Churchs have taught was not all 100 % fact ..they have been
wrong in many interpretations ..I am wanting to find the truth ..you cant fault me for that .
[The "trumpet of God" "Voice of God" argument sounds like nothing more than someone making the Bible say something that it's not saying. ]
So are you saying that Paul knew about the book of Rev and the seven trumpets before it was even written ?NO in fact all he knew was about all of the
trumpets that were blow according to Jewish customs from the OT>
They blew trumpets for many occasions and many traditions ...And there was accounts of a GREAT trumpet *(At the time when the Israelites were called
to the Mount to meet God ..I believe this to be the same trump as the one in Thess.....I am willing to hear anything though that would change my mind
on that ....I am not set yet in my interpretation of anything ..again I just want to know the truth )
Also are you saying then that the Trump of God is the same as the Angels who blow the trumpets in Rev? Because I would like to know why one says TRUMP
of God (Notice it does not say TRUMPETS with an S ...but only one TRUMP)And the Rev says trumpets ..Not to mention how can A trump of God and Seven
Angels with trumpets be the same thing ?
As far as the Barley harvest ...have you done any digging at all into that ?
Barley harvest has TWO seperate reapings .
"Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then
ye shall bring a sheaf of the firsifruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the
morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.. .And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the
sheaf of the wave-offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall
offer a new meal-offering unto the Lord" Leviticus 23:10f, 15-17
In the above verses we see the firstfruits of two separate harvests, and these two harvests are separated by a period of fifty days.
"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept... But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits
afterward they that are Christ's at His coming" (1 Cor.1 5:20, 23).
It was on Firstfruits, the first Sunday after Passover, when the empty tomb of Yeshua was discovered. While Israel's risen Messiah was walking the
streets of Jerusalem that day as the firstfruits of the resurrection, Israel's priests were in the Temple waving the firstfruits of the barley
harvest before a torn veil that now represented access to the Presence of God through the death of the Messiah. (See Mt. 27:51 and Heb. 10:19-22).
Biblically speaking, the anniversary of the Resurrection should be called "First Fruits," not "Easter," a word derived from the name of the
Anglo-Saxon pagan fertility goddess.
The Lord instructed His people to count off fifty days (seven Sabbaths plus a day) from Firstfruits to the Feast of Shavuot ("weeks"), a day which
the New Testament calls Pentecost (Greek for "the fiftieth day"). This is the second harvest mentioned in our passage from Leviticus 23. On this day
there was to be "a new meal offering,~ two loaves of bread baked with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest. In addition to wheat, the Israelites
brought the firstfruits of six other products of the Promised Land. The seven products are listed in Deuteronomy 8:8, where the Lord describes Israel
as "a land of wheat and barley and vines and fig trees and pomegranates; a land of olive oil and date-honey." The Mishnah (in Bikkurim ch.3)
describes how the Israelites brought the firstfruits to the Temple in an elaborate procession that included flute-playing, oxen with their horns
overlaid with gold and wearing olive-leaf wreathes, and gold- and silver-covered baskets to hold the fruits.
According to Jewish tradition, Shavuot is the anniversary of the giving of the Torah. It is also the anniversary of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit
upon the first Messianic believers in Jerusalem:
"And when the day of Pentecost [Shavuot] was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as
of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat
upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." (Acts
There are two parts to Barley harvests
1And Naomi had a kinsman of her husband's, a mighty man of wealth, of the family of Elimelech; and his name was Boaz.
2And Ruth the Moabitess said unto Naomi, Let me now go to the field, and glean ears of corn after him in whose sight I shall find grace. And she said
unto her, Go, my daughter.
3And she went, and came, and gleaned in the field after the reapers: and her hap was to light on a part of the field belonging unto Boaz, who was of
the kindred of Elimelech.
A Reaping then a gleaning after it is threshed ..
Sounds like the Rapture is the reaping and the threshing are those left behind who will get purified during the trib...Which I believe this is the
same as the seperating of the sheep and the goats ..the sheep during the horrible trials to come on them during the trib will be purified and the
goats will just be goats ...And it is these sheep that the AC overcomes and kills .They did not die to self before the trib..they will have to die for
him then during the trib.
That is just my opinion of course.
Sure I may be wrong ...but I will continue to study this till I get some answers .