Originally posted by Randy Echo
what i want is the russians and our american leadership to do is quit poking eachother in the eyes,

what is this all about anyway, IM bigger than you are, my dad is bigger than your dad,

or is it really I want this oil
and Im going to sit on it till you push me aside
or is it worse than that
I want to restore our once held glory of the USSR
or
is it we want a good logistical platform just in case
the us attacks IRAN,
or is it just as they say it is,
we are here for support of our citizens
nothing more nothing less

Whatever the reason
I think everyone should just lay it on the table what their true
intentions are
instead of dragging the world into world war three
and what of
ruining 10 years of friendship away
for what?

this is what I want to know

um, maybe read the posts before jumping in there

[edit on 17-8-2008 by Randy Echo]

1st - it's none of USA's business.
2nd - These events are not natural -- they are almost always arrangements by the Illuminati - Jesuits. The Jesuits haven't been kicked out of countries over 70 times for nothing.
etc., etc., etc.

I had time to think about this and I think with both countries trying to destroy each other , I think we both would win, and lose. We would be out to utterly destroy Russia, take no prisoners, not like Iraq, we know how to do that, that is for sure, it doesn't mean I think it's right, but I think it would be the first time anyone entered a fight without conquest in mind, just the idea of destroying the other away ...

what a fricken mess...

I have bought several pieces of military optics from china , and got excellent equipment for little bits of money, I have already thought to myself what grand equipment there guys must have that no one even knows about,

I am not sure about China's ability to reach out and touch like everyone else does, but Im sure with the money they have and the people they have, very smart people, they could really hurt things if they wanted to,

I just believe in the back of my mind, that China is actually more balanced than anyone else spiritually, and wouldn't do such a thing.

I realize that many people here are against President Bush because of the way the Iraqi War has been covered and the same people think that we should stay out of this. I am in the Army and have been to Iraq and I can tell you that it isn't as bad as the media portrays it to be. This little skirmish that is going on will end in a diplomatic way and we will not have troops on the ground defending Georga. Russia doesn't want a war with the US and the US doesn't want a war with Russia, plain and simple.

For those that are against the Iraqi war I have only this to say. Until you have had your boots on the sand and talked to the Iraqis please think of how you would feel if you lived in that country and was under a ruthless dictator who could snatch you from your homes at anytime of the day and torture you without mercy for no reason other then the fact that they were bored and spotted you on the street. I have talked to those people and while there are some who don't want us here the majority thank their god everyday for sending us there to protect them and help them when they desprately needed them. Also realize the ones who don't want us over there are the ones who hate Americans and want to destroy us.

If we (the soldiers) didn't believe what we are fighting for was right then we wouldn't reenlist after attending a military funeral. There is nothing sadder then attending one and hearing roll call. That is where the 1st seargent calls out everyones names and when the dead soldiers is called no one answers, they repeat the soldiers name 3 times, after the third time there is a 21 gun salute and then taps is played. To quote a country song "there is nothing funny when a soldier cries". You guys have to believe that a soldier has his own mind and will do what is right, not all of us will, but the majority will. When you say you support the troops then you go and bad mouth the war it lowers troop morale. Which means that you are actually hurting the troops. To support your troops you must trust and believe that they are doing the right thing. That includes fighting a war that must be won, and we realize that we must win it, be it at the cost of our life or our buddies, and if it is our buddies then we will endure their funeral and go out to kill those who want to kill you. When you protest the war you give our enemies strength to keep fighting and killing more troops. I hope that some of you read this whole thing and maybe change some of your views about the war and truley support me and my fellow soldiers. Just remember you cannot support the troops and be anti war at the same time.

I've got to say, this thread is pretty hilarious.

Typical replies from American patriot-wanabes

"Hurr, we're americans, we have superior technology, those russians don't even have dishwashers, hurr, we can kick their ass anytime".

Completely ignorant and uninformed of the subject they are talking about.


I pose this simple question to those people - if America can, and it's so easy, then why don't they? We all know how much American loves Georgia, so much that they staged a coup in the country and installed their puppet Saakashvili there. Georgia is even a potential NATO member, so it would make perfect sense for USA to help them. So why don't they?

Let me give you a run-down.

1. Let's get one thing straight, US military technology is in no way superior to Russia's. Russia didn't even send in their T-90 divisions, nor their best equipped armies, and they still easily beat Georgia, which was supplied by US with their latest weapons.

2. US forces are over-deployed, stretched thin, etc - there's nothing to help Georgia with.

3. If the US intervened in Georgia, they would have no hope in hell of ever attacking Iran.

4. Please don't forget that Russia is in a very direct and formal military alliance with China, with India being an observer.