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I think it would be fair to say that most skeptics base their view on the available evidence. In this case, maybe you should ask, why is their such a lack of conclusive evidence in regards to extra terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings?. Most reports of ET contact are eyewitness accounts backed with little other evidence.
Originally posted by polomontana
You say that you know or think that extra-terrestrial/extra-dimensional beings can't or don't exist, are you saying that the eyewitness to an event can't know these things either?
Are you asking people to base their beliefs on faith? The fact that one person may be limited in providing evidence supporting their belief should then not require another to be viewed as limited for simply needing more substantial material to help them accept what you believe.
Are you limiting another person's sphere of knowledge based on your pre-existing belief on these issues?
No. Once again it is up to the person making any claim to support it with evidence. What we know and accept is limited to what can be shown and proven, otherwise we must accept it in faith.
Example: If a high ranking government official comes out and says he has first hand knowledge that these things exist, do you limit what he/she can know based on your pre-existing belief on these issues?
Why is it that when we have credible scientific people offering alternative explanations for Alien Abductions, Alien Contact and Experiences they are ignored by those that believe in these experiences, yet when a person who is credible makes incredible claims that is not supported by anyother evidence, those that are skeptical are viewed as being limited or biased due to their own beliefs(which are based on what they observe and experience). Could we not reverse this scenario. When a credible person says to a person who believes in Aliens/ET/Extradimensional beings that they have had no experience with these therefor they do not exist, are not those who believe in ET etc limiting themselves in not accepting this as being true, even though the person that does not believe cannot prove conclusively that aliens etc do not exist.
If a person you know to be credible comes to you and says they were visited by these beings and this person has never been known to make up stories, do you say these things could not have happened based on your personal belief about these issues? Are you saying that your friend couldn't know and experience these things based on what you believe?
Your whole arguement is illogical. Sorry. You seem to be argueing that those that are skeptical are limiting themselves to those that are making claims purely because those making claims have limited evidence to support their beliefs of Extra-alien, extra-dimensional beings existing.
If so, how is this logical? Are you saying that nobody can know about these things because you believe these things don't or can't exist?
What sphere of knowledge, these are beliefs you are talking about. There is no overwhelming evidence supporting the existence of ET or extra-dimensional beings. This is where i believe the belief in aliens takes on a new and updated role of age old religious beliefs. As the majority of evidence comes from personal testimony and heresay and requires others to place their beliefs on these alone, not unlike spiritual and religious experiencesAlien Abduction and Contactee experience: A new religion?
If you are, then you are limiting others sphere of knowledge based on what you believe about these issues.
you cannot compare something that we can't go see when we want to, to something like a country we could visit anytime we want.
It's two completely different scenarios.
I'm gonna be blunt... I don't give a # if you were abducted, have "helped" abductees or what not BS. As long as you don't give tangible proof you just the next freaking wannabe UFO celeb.
Everytime a believer like you opens her mouth and spills BS, God kills a kitten.
Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
One question U.F.O skeptics can't answer:
Are U.F.O believers this dumb?
Seriousy. How can you ask for proof about the existence of China? Are you THAT disconnected from reality?
Jeebus go see a doctor or something.
I would have had better luck talking to a wall.
Time can be fast, slow, meaningless and significant. Fun or sad. It can mean a minute, or stretch an age. Internal time, external time. Maybe, though, it is really the time to just stay on topic.
Originally posted by menguard
What is time?
When you stop assuming that it travels in waves.
When does a wave of gravity stop in motion?
1. When it was created or 2. The universe is eternal and space and time have always existed. Me persoanlly, i am taking 1.
At what point did time and space begin?
To find the best possible answer to that question.
Why are we here?
My mother and my father.
Who created you?
From a personal perspective, when I cease to exist. Or from an larger existential perspective, when the creator of time decides it is no longer needed as an aspect of existence?
How can time not exist?
Why do you assume we are? This is too ambiguous. I certainly feel terrestrial to myself.
Why are we alien to ourselves?
I thought it stood for Unidentified flying objects.
Why does the ufology field stop at flying crafts?
I am unaware of the field of obscurity. Care to point out a few examples. As obscurity implies a level of unknowable characteristics, motives or reason and thus the way it is validated may be limited to say, fasified truths.
Why is everything in the field of obscurity based on falsified truths?
Why do people lie. Make false claims and cover them up by selling books about aliens, top secret papers and govt. conspiracies?
Why do agencies make false claims and cover them up with top secret files?
Take a guess.
What is outside of time?
To help beef grow? just a wild guess, don't quote me on that. Ask monsanto. LOL. BTW, i don't eat beef.
Why are their growth hormones put into beef?
We pollute it. Retoric.
Why is our water sources polluted?
Why is there no light Govt. Why does nature make viruses? What weeding out process?
why does the dark government create viruses and who benefits from the weeding out process?
Who, what, and where do we see this happening?
Why are they trying to get rid of undesirables that are only human not really superhuman?
You left out mass paranoia, fear and delusion leading to beliefs not based on fact or evidence.
Cleaning the streets up through bio synthetic viruses which have been spread on our fruits and vegtables, trying to create an aids epidemic?
Why ask that here, no one knows. How many Mcdonalds are there in the world?
How many bases are known to man on Earth that are extraterrestrial?
Didn't know Nasa was undercover.
When did the Air Force take Nasa as an undercover space program?
Post all you have on that here and the public will know.
Why hasn't the public been told about our (top scientist's) going to moon and mars and cross analysing information to sustain an enviroment and biosphere and biological engineering?
Mainly because it was not based on our reality.
Why did the -Zeta program- get out of hand, the C.I.A couldn't stop the proliferation of the ZETA PROGRAM and neutralize the congress and senate?
Originally posted by atlasastro
I think it would be fair to say that most skeptics base their view on the available evidence. In this case, maybe you should ask, why is their such a lack of conclusive evidence in regards to extra terrestrials/extra-dimensional beings?. Most reports of ET contact are eyewitness accounts backed with little other evidence.
Originally posted by TheOracle
I want the skeptics to explain the
Nazca lines
thats all
Originally posted by flice
reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens
...Sorry... but I can't prove any of it. I lost the receipe for gold, I lost the key to the cave, so the unicorn probably starved to death and as for the telepathic ability, it only works when I'm not rambling and ranting against unbased statements put into text.... that amounts to 99% of my time, so we have to be lucky to prove that.
Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
One question U.F.O skeptics can't answer:
Are U.F.O believers this dumb?
Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
Surely only a paranoid delusiuonal freak would believe with no doubt whatsoever in the existence of E.Ts with this kind of steaming pile "my dog ate my evidence" B.S. happening EVERY SINGLE TIME in the last 50 years.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]
Originally posted by atlasastro
So while there are many UFO sightings,
there is also many that are explained by a rational explanation.
There is now overwhelming observable evidence pointing to the sun being the centre of our nine planetary solar system, but not the universe as a whole. We know the earth is not the centre of the universe, we can see that the sun is not the centre of the universe.
Originally posted by re22666
i think you should ask yourself why there is such a lack of evidence that the sun is the center of the universe.
There is now overwhelming observable scientific evidence that the earth is round. We know as fact that the earth is round, we can see that the earth is round.
i think you should ask yourself why there is such a lack of evidence that the earth is round
Lets be specific, in relation to the OP, there is a massive lack of evidence, relating it to issues where there is a perponderance of evidence available, is just rediculous and illogical. SO, so until the time comes when there is overwhelming evidence of ET/extra-dimensional beings, people will continue to be skeptical. You offer nothing but, might, maybe, perhaps. Again you rely on faith for belief, which is cool. But the OP is asking specific question on those that are skeptical to this topic of Aliens/extra dimensional beings. Which explains my answer.
the lack or preponderance of evidence, as history has shown, depends on the paradigm of the times. how do you kow it is not just something we have no way of observing yet?
Originally posted by atlasastro
So while there are many UFO sightings,
there is also many that are explained by a rational explanation.
YES, but only to those that accept the rational explanation. How often do we see threads die here when people post UFO photos etc that are quickly explained by science or observation, only to have them pop up again and again offered again as evidence of UFO, and by proxy proof of ET.
that would make them NOT ufo's wouldnt it?
If you say so.
just being a jerk
I have no idea what you are on about here.
because its late and ya skipped over my response to you to reply to one that kissed your butt
I am more interested in the OP and the topic in general, than how you or i get along. BTW, your stick is pretty blunt and by your own admission you are a jerk, prone to petty jealousy when individuals "skip" or fail to reply to your posts. Your insecurity then leads you to posting what? The above.
so i thought id poke with one more sharp stick. i am genuinely curious how your logic and my logic get along in a room together.
Originally posted by atlasastro
Originally posted by re22666
Originally posted by atlasastro
So while there are many UFO sightings,
there is also many that are explained by a rational explanation.
YES, but only to those that accept the rational explanation. How often do we see threads die here when people post UFO photos etc that are quickly explained by science or observation, only to have them pop up again and again offered again as evidence of UFO, and by proxy proof of ET.
that would make them NOT ufo's wouldnt it?
If you say so.
just being a jerkI have no idea what you are on about here.
because its late and ya skipped over my response to you to reply to one that kissed your buttI am more interested in the OP and the topic in general, than how you or i get along. BTW, your stick is pretty blunt and by your own admission you are a jerk, prone to petty jealousy when individuals "skip" or fail to reply to your posts. Your insecurity then leads you to posting what? The above.
so i thought id poke with one more sharp stick. i am genuinely curious how your logic and my logic get along in a room together.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by atlasastro]