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Originally posted by bringthelight
Credible witness testimony can send a person to jail for life but is ignored when it comes to the most important discovery of our time?
Originally posted by menguard
What is time?
When does a wave of gravity stop in motion?
At what point did time and space begin?
Why are we here?
Who created you?
How can time not exist?
Why are we alien to ourselves?
Why does the ufology field stop at flying crafts?
Why is everything in the field of obscurity based on falsified truths?
Why do agencies make false claims and cover them up with top secret files?
Why does the government exist as parlimentiary cabinet?
Who authorises information leaks through media conception?
Why does the real source of man's potential stop at a routine based conclusion?
What is outside of time?
Why are their growth hormones put into beef?
Why is our water sources polluted?
why does the dark government create viruses and who benefits from the weeding out process?
Why are they trying to get rid of undesirables that are only human not really superhuman?
Cleaning the streets up through bio synthetic viruses which have been spread on our fruits and vegtables, trying to create an aids epidemic?
How many bases are known to man on Earth that are extraterrestrial?
When did the Air Force take Nasa as an undercover space program?
Why hasn't the public been told about our (top scientist's) going to moon and mars and cross analysing information to sustain an enviroment and biosphere and biological engineering?
Why did the -Zeta program- get out of hand, the C.I.A couldn't stop the proliferation of the ZETA PROGRAM and neutralize the congress and senate?
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
people continually make the ` appeal to authority ` that they believe a certain witness because he / she is ` credible ` and or ` high ranking `
and implore us to believe them too
where as , any ` credible ` and or ` high ranking ` personage who attempts to refute / counter claims is dismissed as :
govt shill , disinfo agent etc
why the hell is that ???????????????????????
whant my opinion ?
tey have decided that they ` want to believe ` and skew all evidence presented accordingly
ardly ` open minded ` is it ?
This guy went from helping abducties to a full out alien encounter
Originally posted by polomontana
There's both direct and circumstantial evidence to support things within ufology.
Direct evidence is testimony or other proof which expressly or straight-forwardly proves the existence of a fact. It is different from circumstantial evidence, which is evidence that, without going directly to prove the existence of a fact, gives rise to a logical inference that such fact does exist.
Direct evidence is evidence which, if believed, proves the existence of the fact in issue without inference or presumption. It is evidence which comes from one who speaks directly of his or her own knowledge on the main or ultimate fact to be proved, or who saw or heard the factual matters which are the subject of the testimony. It is not necessary that this direct knowledge be gained through the senses of sight and hearing alone, but it may be obtained from any of the senses through which outside knowledge is acquired, including the senses of touch or pain.
State v Famber, 358 Mo 288, 214 SW2d 40.
en.wikipedia.org...
Eyewitness testimony from Presidents, police, pilots, high ranking government officials, abduction cases and more.
Circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence. Corroboration is normally supplied by one or more expert witnesses who provide forensic evidence.
Cave Paintings, paintings, ancient manuscripts, pictures, video, trace evidence and more.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by polomontana]
Originally posted by Malevolent_Aliens
reply to post by riggs2099
This guy went from helping abducties to a full out alien encounter
........Anyone can do that, do you believe that the country China exists? Have you ever been there or do you believe the people who have told you it exists or perhaps the television you watch? We have thousands of first hand contact cases reported, is every single person out there delusional and strangely experiencing the same things? Please don't be so blind, do a little more research on it.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by Malevolent_Aliens]
Originally posted by TheBottomLine
Originally posted by polomontana
There's both direct and circumstantial evidence to support things within ufology.
Direct evidence is testimony or other proof which expressly or straight-forwardly proves the existence of a fact. It is different from circumstantial evidence, which is evidence that, without going directly to prove the existence of a fact, gives rise to a logical inference that such fact does exist.
Direct evidence is evidence which, if believed, proves the existence of the fact in issue without inference or presumption. It is evidence which comes from one who speaks directly of his or her own knowledge on the main or ultimate fact to be proved, or who saw or heard the factual matters which are the subject of the testimony. It is not necessary that this direct knowledge be gained through the senses of sight and hearing alone, but it may be obtained from any of the senses through which outside knowledge is acquired, including the senses of touch or pain.
State v Famber, 358 Mo 288, 214 SW2d 40.
en.wikipedia.org...
Eyewitness testimony from Presidents, police, pilots, high ranking government officials, abduction cases and more.
Circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence. Corroboration is normally supplied by one or more expert witnesses who provide forensic evidence.
Cave Paintings, paintings, ancient manuscripts, pictures, video, trace evidence and more.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by polomontana]
Nice follow-up, polomontana......yes, if used wisely and skillfully, direct and circumstantial evidence in COMBINATION can benefit the UFOlogy community greatly. Although I did choose to avoid wikipedia's definition and sought a more thorough explanation of both....what you posted is to the point. Good job.....please avoid wasting time on skeptics that choose to extend their arguments for no obvious reason. This will waste your time and energy. Pick your spots, make your points, and when they counter with the same old lines/arguments, move on. Look for those with an open mind...eventually you'll find that open-minded skeptics can help you and vice-versa. Believers do need open-minded skeptics and vice-versa to be balanced in the approach to furthering the study of ufology. Also, close-minded believers should be avoided as well.....
I do like how speak of this as fact though without solid undeniable proof.
Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens
Have you ever seen a psychiatrist. Not calling you crazy but it could be another option..maybe you are suffering from delusions or maybe not. If you aren't then why you....what is it you can have that lets say someone who can actually be beneficial to them...like say politician, military person of high rank. Thats why abductions make no sense...if you want to contact us than get someone who people will believe and leave them some evidence or if you want to inter-breed with us than why not choose the best we have to offer instead of just anybody. Why risk polluting your species with just anyone. Oh yeah because I don;t think like them...lol.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by riggs2099]
[edit on 27-7-2008 by riggs2099]
China exist because I have met chinese and spoke with them.