Originally posted by NoRunRichard
Therefore when somebody or some people say they've seen him that is a lie.

You cannot say that one is a lie and the other isn't. You say the alien spacecraft are around daily.....google stories about visions of christ or any GOD...they are also happening daily. I have only read few stories of actual radar contact and for you to say that it is happening on a regular basis is crazy...where are these stories ( on a daily basis not just stories of them but stories from last week , this week ...giove me more than a few).. ou offer no proof but make statements like they are fact....you believers always do this.

Your post above is just an example of sweeping generalizations and is also a flawed logic. A skeptic does not feel there is not enough evidence to support a phenomenon. The skeptic instead REJECTS anything concerning aliens.

A believer rejects anything that goes against thier beliefs and will continue to make statements as fact without proof. That is how I personally believe it.

Originally posted by riggs2099
You cannot say that one is a lie and the other isn't. You say the alien spacecraft are around daily.....google stories about visions of christ or any GOD...they are also happening daily. I have only read few stories of actual radar contact and for you to say that it is happening on a regular basis is crazy...where are these stories ( on a daily basis not just stories of them but stories from last week , this week ...giove me more than a few).. ou offer no proof but make statements like they are fact....you believers always do this.

I obtained my information from the media, the television. I'm sure it's at least once on a daily basis. But I'm not sure about this either. But you must get at least one alien contact on radar somewhere in the US and more if it's global. But when television starts airing these programs you skeptics ignore these because you think you're smarter because you're skeptical.

A believer rejects anything that goes against thier beliefs and will continue to make statements as fact without proof. That is how I personally believe it.

I am not like that. I base my beliefs on everything, photos, the media, videos, statements from abductees who were cross-examined, and statements from other people. This phenomenon is very popular and like the saying goes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must certainly be a duck. What you're doing is painting a picture that all believers only stick to their beliefs about this phenomenon. You have to learn more about believers. Good Night.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

[edit on 19-9-2008 by NoRunRichard]

Originally posted by AccessDenied
Yes, Iam a skeptic.
I do not believe aliens from another planet or galaxy are visiting us for whatever reason.
I believe in UFO's..MAN MADE.

I haven't read through all of the threads yet to see if anyone has also mentioned this... but there is 1 small problem with believing UFO's are only man made.

The fact we have been seeing UFOs for centuries.... well before the Wright Brothers got it done. Unless you are saying we have been flying man made UFOs flying around our planet whilst people were getting around in horse drawn carts.

That alone blows your belief out of the water.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by Total Package]

Originally posted by riggs2099
You don't have to be a puppeteer to know that it is a puppet. It has no fluid movemment that you think a livingh creature would have. It moves in jerky movements that you see in movies with a low budget to create special effects.

Well how would we know how an alleged being from another world moves? Secondly have you ever watched certain animals move in documentaries? Some also move in a jerky way so this is in my opinion by no means an argument for the alien being a puppet.

Also why is the room all dark and the only light is focused on the alien head. Why only the head...and why not the body....why is it only the head. This is the main problem I have with this footage. The most important "discovery" of our lifetime...but yet the governement only decided the head was important.

This footage was obviously not meant for public viewing. Furthermore the appearance of the "alien" is also irrelevant in this video from a government perspective. It is supposed to be the documenting of an interview, not a model contest. If you watch interrogation videos where humans are being interviewed they also don't show the whole person. This is perfectly normal if you ask me.

why not have the enitre room lit up...so that in case of emergency....like the supposed choking incident....the emergency workers would not have to work in total darkness. I have never heard of an emergency situation where the lights were not automatically lit up so that the ER crew could do thier best to help the individual. Does this sound like a competent government...military...organization to you. NO!... it sounds more like a hoaxer who knew if you turned the lights on when the "alien" need help you would then see it animatronic gear or puppeteer in the fully lit room.

If you are a hoaxer why even bring in the medical staff? This only puts you in all sorts of trouble and makes it easier for everybody to debunk your expensive hoax. If you were to hoax this you would only show the "alien" and no other things whatsoever to protect the credibility of your precious hoax as best as possible.

Of course you could be right that the "alien" is a puppet, but in my opinion there is still no hard evidence to suggest this is without a doubt the case.


[edit on 19/9/08 by Fastwalker81]

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
Most or some radar contacts are due to alien contacts. Your post above is just an example of sweeping generalizations and is also a flawed logic. A skeptic does not feel there is not enough evidence to support a phenomenon.

What's up with that? Are you channeling Lewis Carroll? The double-negative, contradiction, and lack of coherence in the above post, casts doubt on the legitimacy of any of your opinions.

The skeptic instead REJECTS anything concerning aliens.

And despite being told, firsthand from skeptics, exactly the opposite of that position, you insist on holding tight to that fallacious belief. In fact, you're showing a remarkable tendency to REJECT anything that runs counter to your dearly held belief system.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by MrPenny]

Originally posted by MrPenny
What's up with that? Are you channeling Lewis Carroll? The double-negative, contradiction, and lack of coherence in the above post, casts doubt on the legitimacy of any of your opinions.

I don't know who Lewis Carroll is. This paragraph is supposed to go together with my statement below. You have erroneously truncated this paragraph. Again, you can read the entire 1,300+ posts the skeptics made in this forum and the only statements you'll read in it are REJECTIONS of all rationalizations and evidences concerning alien existence and visitations.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
The skeptic instead REJECTS anything concerning aliens.

Originally posted by Mr. Penny
And despite being told, firsthand from skeptics, exactly the opposite of that position, you insist on holding tight to that fallacious belief. In fact, you're showing a remarkable tendency to REJECT anything that runs counter to your dearly held belief system.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by MrPenny]

Like I said, read the entire 1,300+ entries of this thread and they all point to REJECTIONS of anything regarding aliens.

I'm not at all surprised that you don't know the name "Lewis Carroll". Despite the use of the phrase "rabbit hole" all over these forums. I oughta' take a poll.....find out how many people using it understand the reference.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
You have erroneously truncated this paragraph.

Doesn't make any difference....truncated, parsed, dissected, dismembered....whatever one does to the paragraph--it's contradictory, assumptive, and illogical nonsense. Throws into doubt your ability to arrive at any reasoned conclusion, and support said conclusion.

Like I said, read the entire 1,300+ entries of this thread and they all point to REJECTIONS of anything regarding aliens.

Okay, that's your thesis.....now support it. Go find me the clear, unequivocal support for the statement that all 1300+ entries by, I presume, skeptics, are rejections of anything regarding aliens.

Don't bother....I already know you can't. Over and over again, you make egregious errors of reasoning.....and it's a pity that you can't recognize them. Your statements are such that I get the impression you're responding to a thread that only you can read. Your comments have a "slightly askew from reality" feel to them......it's like, what the heck are you reading?


[edit on 19-9-2008 by MrPenny]

This is the only thread you ever post in? And you've never started a thread?

Whose "sock-puppet" are you?

[edit on 19-9-2008 by MrPenny]

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
I don't know what kind it is but they look authentic to me. [...]I have no doubt that this photo is a fake.

Can you at least try to make some sense?

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