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posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:43 AM
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edit---------Double Post

[edit on 20-9-2008 by Corum]




posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichard
]"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."




I always see this quote being thrown around the forum. In my opinion it is the weakest arguement of all because in MANY cases absence of proof IS proof of absence. Not sure why you keep going on about stupidity to everyone either, if you show a little respect to people you might get some in return because in all honestly you are coming across as arrogant and closed minded.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Corum

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
]"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."




I always see this quote being thrown around the forum. In my opinion it is the weakest arguement of all because in MANY cases absence of proof IS proof of absence. Not sure why you keep going on about stupidity to everyone either, if you show a little respect to people you might get some in return because in all honestly you are coming across as arrogant and closed minded.


That's not true. The skeptics almost always display arrogance and rudeness instead. Your observations are flawed because as a skeptic yourself you are biased against believers. In the case of aliens, absence of evidence is indeed not evidence of absence. The phenomenon about alien existence and visitation is too good to be ignored and rejected.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Corum
....Without sceptics this site would be Disneyland, the land of make believe.


That is true in the majority of cases. However there will still be serious Ufologists and observants of aliens who could separate the fakes from the real evidences. Some of these people have real photos and videos of aliens and their spacecrafts in their possession.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
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Ok the photos themselves may be real, but what is shown is not.

It is a dummy or good mock-up and make-up of an alien.

I don't need to prove them as fakes, you need to prove them as real....that's how it works.

You have crazy story/theory/photo= you must prove the authenticity.

I disagree = Until i see evidence that supports your claim/photo/theory







What do you think of this one?


[edit on 19-9-2008 by blupblup]


That photo of an alien above is real, it is a clear picture of an infant alien hybrid, you can see some parts of his body still moist from recent birth. I say it's a hybrid alien-human because of its big mouth. Riggs submitted a real picture of an alien and so did I 2 pages back. Sometimes it is not difficult to come to a conclusion about a photo being real. I don't remember the source of my photos about that alien, there are Japanese characters under one of them though. And I don't doubt their authenticity.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichardRiggs submitted a real picture of an alien and so did I 2 pages back.
I think I read sometime ago that the photos you posted are from the old Alien mannequin from Roswell museum, but I could not find any information about it.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by NoRunRichardRiggs submitted a real picture of an alien and so did I 2 pages back.
I think I read sometime ago that the photos you posted are from the old Alien mannequin from Roswell museum, but I could not find any information about it.


That is typical skeptic rejection.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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I thought this was a great video it has really peaked my interest and I am suprised that this topic isn't talked about more amongs the UFO groups.

Nazi UFO Secrets of WW2...
Turn up the volume it's a little hard to make out, gets alot more interesting towards the middle. Just for the record I would like to say that I do believe in life on other planets etc. I mean if the below is true, how did they get the technology..... also if you liked this you can see more vids under my other recent postins under the Vril Disks and the UFO Base in Brazil & if you wanted to pick up more reading, if you haven't heard of him already you can check out Joseph P. Farrell at www.gizadeathstar.com his last 3 books have peaked my interests as well.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:53 PM
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Here is a link with the famous creation that a lot of people go to believe is real. Dan Post created this "alien" and the roswell museum put the "alien" in a glass tube.

Link:
"Alien"

Edit to add. The original picture with the security guard was released in color.

[edit on 9-21-2008 by vance]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:03 AM
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Some 71 pages ago, this thread started with a question on belief in an extraterrestrial or extradimensional being existing and whether or not it would be belivable to a skeptic.
I admit freely that I have not read all 71 pages of dialogue, so please forgive me if this is repetitive, but even as a skeptic (of sorts) myself let me explain why I believe other dimensional beings could exist without our knowledge.
Picture this:
Visualize a pencil point moving a given distance in an unchanging direction as it traces a line. Move this line at right angles to itself and it blocks out a square or rectangle. Move this square at right angles to itself-up or down, that is- and it traces a cube.
Now, for a cube to move at right angles to all it's dimensions, a new region of space is needed- a 4th dimension. In such a higher space the cube would trace out a hypercube, or terrasect. A terrasect is a four dimensional figure bounded by 8 cubes, having 24 faces and 32 edges.

Hypothetically, since we are not in 4D space, some 4th dimensional being would find it as easy to understand a vehicle disappearing or the withdrawl of an orange without breaking the peel as it would be for us, as 3D beings to see the possibility of taking up a pencil from the center of a drawn circle and place the point outside the circle, something that would "mystify" a being living in 2D space on the paper.

The moment our pencil leaves the paper, it enters 3D space. It literally "disappears" to someone living in 2D space, and would be considered "magic".

Correspondingly, a movement into 4D space from 3D space would appear as "magic" to us.

This is why I believe interdimensional, extradimensional, or other dimensional beings can exist without any "physical" proof to our 3D minds.

As hard as it would be to describe our world to a being living in a 2D world, so it would also be for a 4D being to describe their world to us.
This is what I believe, in a nutshell, and I hope it was in some way at least a plausible explanation for the POSSIBILITY of other dimensional beings.

Space-time travel for extra-terrestrials is based upon a similar principle, using what I would call a "shortcut" method we as a race do not have conscious knowledge of.

Another analogy, if I may:
Imagine there are 2 people living in 2 buildings that are back to back. Mr A. lives in the building that has it's entrance on 5th Ave. and Mr. B. lives in the building that faces 6th Ave. They both live on the 7th floor, and both of them have a living room wall at the back of their respective buildings.

This means that they physically live only a few feet from each other.

However, if one wants to visit the other, they would have to leave their apartment, get in the elevator, go to the ground floor, go outside the building, walk a block, find the entrance to the other building, go inside, get on the elevator, go up to the other man's apartment, knock on the door, go inside and sit in his friend's living room, only a few feet from his own.

The way one neighbor would have to travel to see another is similar to how we view space travel- the actual physical crossing of enomous distances in 3D space.
But imagine if they could find a way to cross those few feet of space without damaging the walls or themselves, in a multidimensional vehicle perhaps, and the problem of time and distance are solved.

Forgive me again for being so long winded about this subject, and I hope this hasn't been repetitive to other threads posted here.
I wanted to add my 2 cents and ended up spending a whole quarter, but it's the only way I know of to explain my beliefs/theories on the subject.
Thanks for your time.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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HEY norun...I never claimed that picture was real. Stop misrepresenting what i said. You believers always do this to try get somewhere..misrepresent what others say and form into something that backs you cause. I said that pic was a SUPPOSED alien and also included pictures of SUPPOSED jesus and virgin mary to prove a point. The point was that jesus and aliens have just about the same amount of evidence. I did this because you said that religion was crap....I agree...but I also agree aliens visiting us is to, and i asked why when you can find just the same amount of evidence for that to.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichard








What do you think of this one?


[edit on 19-9-2008 by blupblup]


That photo of an alien above is real, it is a clear picture of an infant alien hybrid, you can see some parts of his body still moist from recent birth. I say it's a hybrid alien-human because of its big mouth.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

The above baby is suffering from Harlequin Ichthyosis

www.scalyskin.org...

Again norun...you claiming something that is not true.....do you know what you are talking about?



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichard
That is typical skeptic rejection.
Rejection?

Saying that I think I read something about it before is rejection just because what other people wrote is not what you believe?

Here is a thread about it, this was the one I remembered.

I suppose you know that Internos is not a sceptic.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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Exactly Riggs, that's why posted THAT photo..... just wanted to see how much norun WANTED to believe.

It proved it to me with his hybrid comment.




posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by NoRunRichard
 

HEY norun...I never claimed that picture was real. Stop misrepresenting what i said. You believers always do this to try get somewhere..misrepresent what others say and form into something that backs you cause. I said that pic was a SUPPOSED alien and also included pictures of SUPPOSED jesus and virgin mary to prove a point. The point was that jesus and aliens have just about the same amount of evidence. I did this because you said that religion was crap....I agree...but I also agree aliens visiting us is to, and i asked why when you can find just the same amount of evidence for that to.


My entry about your alien has nothing to do with your beliefs about it. I only stated that the picture you posted was a picture of a real alien and the photo itself is authetic. If you believe the photo you submitted is a fake that's fine with me but I believe it is genuine. I'm not forcing you to believe your alien photo is real but my belief is that it is the real thing.

If you believe alien visitation to be BS that's also fine with me. But my belief is that aliens really do visit Earth.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by riggs2099

Originally posted by NoRunRichard








What do you think of this one?


[edit on 19-9-2008 by blupblup]


That photo of an alien above is real, it is a clear picture of an infant alien hybrid, you can see some parts of his body still moist from recent birth. I say it's a hybrid alien-human because of its big mouth.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein


The above baby is suffering from Harlequin Ichthyosis

www.scalyskin.org...

Again norun...you claiming something that is not true.....do you know what you are talking about?

Yes I know what I'm talking about. The infant above has an extremely large head and I don't see any scaling anywhere suggesting Harlequin Ichthyosis. My theory is that skeptics are throwing anything against the evidences just to "justify" their position. The photo above is a picture of an alien-human hybrid or a different kind of alien. Here's a link below to a website about that alien above:

www.alienandufopictures.com...



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
That is typical skeptic rejection.
Rejection?

Saying that I think I read something about it before is rejection just because what other people wrote is not what you believe?

Here is a thread about it, this was the one I remembered.

I suppose you know that Internos is not a sceptic.


ArMaP you're annoying like all skeptics are. You must remember that I'm a believer, not a skeptic, and I could never believe in anything a skeptic says, don't you dig that? And if you're a skeptic why do you and people like you insist on being in this forum. This is a believers' forum. You go to your own little skeptic forum box for closed-minded people like you.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichard
I'm a believer, not a skeptic, and I could never believe in anything a skeptic says


That's bizarre. And now you're simply trolling.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichard
And if you're a skeptic why do you and people like you insist on being in this forum. This is a believers' forum. You go to your own little skeptic forum box for closed-minded people like you.

I must have missed where it said that this forum is for believers only. Hmmm.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by riggs2099]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by NoRunRichard
ArMaP you're annoying like all skeptics are.
You are not the first person to say that, both sceptics and believers.



You must remember that I'm a believer, not a skeptic, and I could never believe in anything a skeptic says, don't you dig that?
Does that mean that you don't believe that I saw a thread before where people said those photos were from an old mannequin from the Roswell Museum?

I was not the one who said that, other people said it, didn't you saw the thread whose link I posted?


And if you're a skeptic why do you and people like you insist on being in this forum.
I can only speak for myself, and I am on this forum because I can and because I like it.


This is a believers' forum.
Strange, I did not saw anything about it when I signed up, maybe we should ask Simon Gray about it, after all he was the one who created ATS, he should know.


You go to your own little skeptic forum box for closed-minded people like you.
Closed-minded? Right, if you say so it must be true, after all you know me for so many years, right? You must think you know me better than myself...





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