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[edit on 20-9-2008 by Corum]

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
]"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

I always see this quote being thrown around the forum. In my opinion it is the weakest arguement of all because in MANY cases absence of proof IS proof of absence. Not sure why you keep going on about stupidity to everyone either, if you show a little respect to people you might get some in return because in all honestly you are coming across as arrogant and closed minded.

Originally posted by Corum

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
]"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

I always see this quote being thrown around the forum. In my opinion it is the weakest arguement of all because in MANY cases absence of proof IS proof of absence. Not sure why you keep going on about stupidity to everyone either, if you show a little respect to people you might get some in return because in all honestly you are coming across as arrogant and closed minded.

That's not true. The skeptics almost always display arrogance and rudeness instead. Your observations are flawed because as a skeptic yourself you are biased against believers. In the case of aliens, absence of evidence is indeed not evidence of absence. The phenomenon about alien existence and visitation is too good to be ignored and rejected.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Originally posted by Corum
....Without sceptics this site would be Disneyland, the land of make believe.

That is true in the majority of cases. However there will still be serious Ufologists and observants of aliens who could separate the fakes from the real evidences. Some of these people have real photos and videos of aliens and their spacecrafts in their possession.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Originally posted by NoRunRichardRiggs submitted a real picture of an alien and so did I 2 pages back.

I think I read sometime ago that the photos you posted are from the old Alien mannequin from Roswell museum, but I could not find any information about it.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by NoRunRichardRiggs submitted a real picture of an alien and so did I 2 pages back.

I think I read sometime ago that the photos you posted are from the old Alien mannequin from Roswell museum, but I could not find any information about it.

That is typical skeptic rejection.

Some 71 pages ago, this thread started with a question on belief in an extraterrestrial or extradimensional being existing and whether or not it would be belivable to a skeptic.
I admit freely that I have not read all 71 pages of dialogue, so please forgive me if this is repetitive, but even as a skeptic (of sorts) myself let me explain why I believe other dimensional beings could exist without our knowledge.
Picture this:
Visualize a pencil point moving a given distance in an unchanging direction as it traces a line. Move this line at right angles to itself and it blocks out a square or rectangle. Move this square at right angles to itself-up or down, that is- and it traces a cube.
Now, for a cube to move at right angles to all it's dimensions, a new region of space is needed- a 4th dimension. In such a higher space the cube would trace out a hypercube, or terrasect. A terrasect is a four dimensional figure bounded by 8 cubes, having 24 faces and 32 edges.

Hypothetically, since we are not in 4D space, some 4th dimensional being would find it as easy to understand a vehicle disappearing or the withdrawl of an orange without breaking the peel as it would be for us, as 3D beings to see the possibility of taking up a pencil from the center of a drawn circle and place the point outside the circle, something that would "mystify" a being living in 2D space on the paper.

The moment our pencil leaves the paper, it enters 3D space. It literally "disappears" to someone living in 2D space, and would be considered "magic".

Correspondingly, a movement into 4D space from 3D space would appear as "magic" to us.

This is why I believe interdimensional, extradimensional, or other dimensional beings can exist without any "physical" proof to our 3D minds.

As hard as it would be to describe our world to a being living in a 2D world, so it would also be for a 4D being to describe their world to us.
This is what I believe, in a nutshell, and I hope it was in some way at least a plausible explanation for the POSSIBILITY of other dimensional beings.

Space-time travel for extra-terrestrials is based upon a similar principle, using what I would call a "shortcut" method we as a race do not have conscious knowledge of.

Another analogy, if I may:
Imagine there are 2 people living in 2 buildings that are back to back. Mr A. lives in the building that has it's entrance on 5th Ave. and Mr. B. lives in the building that faces 6th Ave. They both live on the 7th floor, and both of them have a living room wall at the back of their respective buildings.

This means that they physically live only a few feet from each other.

However, if one wants to visit the other, they would have to leave their apartment, get in the elevator, go to the ground floor, go outside the building, walk a block, find the entrance to the other building, go inside, get on the elevator, go up to the other man's apartment, knock on the door, go inside and sit in his friend's living room, only a few feet from his own.

The way one neighbor would have to travel to see another is similar to how we view space travel- the actual physical crossing of enomous distances in 3D space.
But imagine if they could find a way to cross those few feet of space without damaging the walls or themselves, in a multidimensional vehicle perhaps, and the problem of time and distance are solved.

Forgive me again for being so long winded about this subject, and I hope this hasn't been repetitive to other threads posted here.
I wanted to add my 2 cents and ended up spending a whole quarter, but it's the only way I know of to explain my beliefs/theories on the subject.
Thanks for your time.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
I'm a believer, not a skeptic, and I could never believe in anything a skeptic says

That's bizarre. And now you're simply trolling.

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
And if you're a skeptic why do you and people like you insist on being in this forum. This is a believers' forum. You go to your own little skeptic forum box for closed-minded people like you.

I must have missed where it said that this forum is for believers only. Hmmm.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by riggs2099]

Originally posted by NoRunRichard
ArMaP you're annoying like all skeptics are.

You are not the first person to say that, both sceptics and believers.

You must remember that I'm a believer, not a skeptic, and I could never believe in anything a skeptic says, don't you dig that?

Does that mean that you don't believe that I saw a thread before where people said those photos were from an old mannequin from the Roswell Museum?

I was not the one who said that, other people said it, didn't you saw the thread whose link I posted?

And if you're a skeptic why do you and people like you insist on being in this forum.

I can only speak for myself, and I am on this forum because I can and because I like it.

This is a believers' forum.

Strange, I did not saw anything about it when I signed up, maybe we should ask Simon Gray about it, after all he was the one who created ATS, he should know.

You go to your own little skeptic forum box for closed-minded people like you.

Closed-minded? Right, if you say so it must be true, after all you know me for so many years, right? You must think you know me better than myself...