September of '08 -- Just Listen. , page 7

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

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I promise not to tear the crap out of you, as you delicately put it...I know how it feels to risk total misunderstandment...if you see what I mean...on boards like this...Thank you for posting back.

I struggle with the concept of time, I really do, and cannot see it as anything but linear, even in fractal form, which I do understand...I see that it's a huge fractal spiral condensing down and into itself to a point of nothing at the center, which is why we have resonance through the various sections that repeat endlessly until the zero point is reached. So what is the point of it....time, I mean...maybe a teaching mechanism for humanity...making us learn and learn again until we realise why we're here? The lessons get shorter and harder until we collectively shout "Enough!" ...at which point The Timelord on duty leaves the building and we're left here in full consciousness to enjoy the paradise we've been gifted.

Dunno about you, but it makes me buzz just to type that....I wonder is there is a point in the timewave graph that marks this tiny conversation. Words have energy, and we've just put these out there to multiply.

Cait

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by White Chapel

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Well, to be fair, the way science works is someone has a vague (or even a very clear and insightful) idea. Sometimes this idea precedes what most call proof by centuries.

If we closed our minds to all the ideas that are currently unprovable, science would stop dead in its tracks.

What you are calling science in porn would be called the "money shot." It is nice to be able to apply the scientific method immediately to these ideas, but sometimes it takes technology a while to catch up to the visionary and allow us to do so. (Which is why we build things like the LHC for example)

Dont forget also that in science a lot of what we "know" scientifically later turns out to be just flat wrong as we develop technology that allows us to see a previously invisible cause that underlied something that later turns out to be merely a correlated thing.

THANK YOU!! for this...a star for you...this is exactly the argument I've been trying to articulate for years, and get too fired up about to organise the words....*grin!*

Cait

reply to post by White Chapel

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I think one thing to point out is that a human, (Mckenna originally, by choosing Hiroshima) decided to choose a physical event as a start point. We really cannot know for certain if that initial line up was correct, so we really cannot know for certain what sorts of events the graph is predicting. Or even if they are physical events at all.

It is a process of trial and error, to see that sort of pattern and then try to line it up with various events to figure out what specifically it is predicting. You make a good point that it is uncertain at this point. I think the OP is most interested in showing the movement, and involving others in the process of figuring it out. Which is very scientific. He or she is willing to risk being wrong to further our collective understanding.

My thoughts are that it could be not a big physical event like a war, or collapse of the economy, (though it could be) but perhaps something to do with the LHC which is projected to begin colliding around that time. There is a lot of buzz in the scientific community that this may, say, create a black hole, or allow time travelers from the future to arrive (the start creating something they are calling year zero) etc. We cannot know for certain what, because we dont know how well the original assumption really fits what the graph is measuring. He calls it "novelty" not catastrophe, and we will just have to see what happens. I am less disappointed when predictions turn out to be wrong, and more interested in WHY they went wrong. It may not be that the whole theory was a wash, only that we misunderstood or misaligned something.

What makes this thread a little different from the usual "Zarcon the Omnipotent says that in the year X, Y will happen" is that there is a very interesting little fractal showing something for us to speculate about. Who knows where that speculation will eventually lead? It is part of the mystery and fun of scientific endeavor to get on for the ride even though we dont know for certain the destination.

Originally posted by caitlinfae

I struggle with the concept of time, I really do, and cannot see it as anything but linear, even in fractal form, which I do understand...I see that it's a huge fractal spiral condensing down and into itself to a point of nothing at the center, which is why we have resonance through the various sections that repeat endlessly until the zero point is reached.

One way to begin to get an inkling, ( and I do NOT have perfect understanding of it as non-linear myself) is to just ask yourself "where am I in time?" You are always in the same place, now. There are lots of mystics and teachers that do a much better job of showing this. In Steve Hagen's little book, "Buddhism plain and simple." He has an exercise that asks you to find yourself and time, and questions you about whether you are still the person, on any level, that you could have been in your "memories" of yourself. In short, it is designed to show you that the "I am" portion of ourselves, the Awareness, always exists at the now point. The idea of ourselves in the past or future is illusory, and is created by the thinking mind.

New Scientist had a great little article on this in January. (Not the mystic aspects of it of course)

www.newscientist.com...

Unfortunately they dont allow the whole article to be read, but perhaps you can find it somewhere.

Originally posted by caitlinfae
Dunno about you, but it makes me buzz just to type that....I wonder is there is a point in the timewave graph that marks this tiny conversation. Words have energy, and we've just put these out there to multiply.

Cait

It absolutely makes me excited to think like this. And more excited to see others (including scientists) more willing to really get broad and question these things as well. It seems to me that minds are more open now and in greater number than ever before. I find that really exciting and hopeful.

reply to post by DisgustedOne

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The dips just mean "more novel" not necessarily catastrophic. He chose a catastrophic event, but it doesnt necessarily mean that the event the trend is showing has to be the same type of novel event. It could be "good" and novel too.

This idea of novelty also matches with ideas like those of Ray Kurtzweil's "Singularity" approach:

The Law of Accelerating Returns
by Ray Kurzweil

An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense "intuitive linear" view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century -- it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today's rate). The "returns," such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity -- technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.

Edit: Source: www.kurzweilai.net...

In other words, a perspective looking at technological change and progress (novelty!)

E.g.

This year we will discover just as much as the 3 years before that. In those 3 years we learned more than the 10 years before.. in those 10 more than in the 30 before... in the last 120 year we probably learned more than in the 500 years before.

Let's not forget that, despite someone from a patent office around 1880 claiming that they could close because "everything has been invented", we have now electricity, light, computers, flight, space technology, very fast computer systems, etc.

Today's computers look awfully fast to those on the market 3 years ago... and you can bet that in 3 years time you'll grin at your current 'speed monster'.


[edit on 21-7-2008 by mirador]

I'm wondering since some have mentioned the connection to the universe with the suns solar flare cycles aren't another clue?

en.wikipedia.org...

I believe John Lear had also made mention of these approximate 11 year cycles. Although, I don't recall exactly what he said, I think it may have something to do with a possible stargate connection?

Currently another thread has made mention of people feeling tired. I just wonder if in some way the sun is somehow stalled or inhaling as if when a fire searches for oxygen during a backdraft?

en.wikipedia.org...

These clockwork events might be connected to some type of pulse wave such as an original celestial event or events such as the birth or death of a star etc.?

2004 tsunami, gamma ray burst:

www.etheric.com...

These possible connections should have already been suggested by scientists anyway?

Is this pulse wave action a basic phenomenon in the universe?

searched living breathing universe:

ezinearticles.com...,-Pulsating-Being&id=152841 (link doesn't work)

Sorry, I'm not up on all of this and probably stating what others have already pointed out here.

I would imagine the arrival and disclosure of our race and history by some other race of watchers or whatever would be a world event of 'biblical proportions.' for 2008



[edit on 21-7-2008 by aleon1018]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by MystikMushroom

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John bannet ramsey made the list, but 9/11 didn't.




Sorry, but I say I cannot believe it.

No doubt!

And what pray tell does Jon Bennet Ramsey have to do with anything? She was just some kid you got killed like 1000 others every year. Tragic ?yes, prophetic in some way? no.


If I manage to get my next bowel movement on national TV will that also be a key indicator?

reply to post by MystikMushroom

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That graph looks vaguely like the one Al Gore used in An Inconvenient Truth. Conspiracy maybe? lol jk

reply to post by MystikMushroom

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am i right in assuming that the farther that the dip goes down, the worse things are?

if so. it looks like sept 2008 won't be as bad as Jon bennet Ramsey... well since i didn't give a flying fudge about the little girl, then i don't imagine anything to big happening in sept.

Another view of the timewave. This one from 1998 through 2014. (Though the month and year data below the graph ends in 2012.)

It may help those of you wanting a closer look at the graph so that you can see for yourself the points on the graph and the month/year they correspond to.

upload.wikimedia.org...

Edit to add;

It isnt easy to line things up, but it seems like the beginning of the dive into novelty on this graph begins 10/2008. This is followed by three small events that attempt to trend us back into "habit" in 2009, with one more successful event bumping us into "habit" in May 2010. It looks like the final major novel trend begins in December 2010, and then bounces once shortly after (maybe Jan 2011?) then once more in Feb or March of 2012, then it is all novelty all the way to the zero point.

[edit on 21-7-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Global systemic crisis / September 2008 - Phase of collapse of US real economy

According to LEAP/E2020, the end of the third quarter of 2008 will be marked by a new tipping point in the unfolding of the global systemic crisis. At that time indeed, the cumulated impact of the various sequences of the crisis (see table below) will reach its maximum strength and affect decisively the very heart of the systems concerned, on the frontline of which the United States, epicentre of the current crisis. In the United States, this new tipping point will translate into a collapse of the real economy, final socio-economic stage of the serial bursting of the housing and financial bubbles (1) and of the pursuance of the US dollar fall. The collapse of US real economy means the virtual freeze of the American economic machinery: private and public bankruptcies in large numbers, companies and public services closing down massively

Link
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reply to post by MystikMushroom

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"Now, I finally have mathematical proof that "something" will happen about/around that time. "

Hello, I'd like to introduce you to a friend of mine. His name is Chaos Theory but we'll call him CT for short. CT would like me to point out that while there are certainly constants in the laws of physics and mathematical certainties in this universe, CT will always be present within any system in existence.

The principal of CT is simple. A system can be made up of any number of components, down to the cellular level! One or more of those components are bound to change over time. The change of one or more of these components can affect how a system reacts. Now imagine if you will how many systems are interacting with each other, influencing each other at any one time on this planet and then you realize how truly random things become.

But let's scale it down a bit. In "Jurassic Park", Ian Malcolm did a good job explaining CT when he explained that if he put a drop of water on his hand that the first time it may roll off to the left and the next time, another drop of the same size, placed in exactly the same spot would roll off to the right. This happens because of the microscopic imperfections on the surface of his hand intercacting with the microscopic cells in the water, influencing which direction the water will go.

So given that stunning and completely mind boggling revelation, I fail to see how any system of mathematics can predict any such future event and claim any sort of accuracy. If something does happen when predicted, it seems like it would be sheer coincidence.

Bad things are happening in the world every minute of every day and the media will report on the worst of the worst of them to us all. All you have to do is pick out the worst few for any given minute, hour and day predicted.

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