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reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 05:36 PM by realshanti
Originally posted by whiteraven
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In no way am i dismissing Terence McKenna. I am greatly facinated.

I have been for years.

I have basic questions.

For example why...after Sonny did acid...again and again ...did he not come up with the mindset of those who came to feed him the acid?

I hope you know what I am talking about?

And then..does this mirror a reflection of the 1967 1968 meltdown?

So we have two different subcultures that intersected in the 64 65 era coming to peak in 67 68 and then down to 2012.

I am speaking of two great lines of thought...one entailed in one subculture and the other great line of thought in the other.

Here is a poem by Ginsberg on one of the events:

First Party At Ken Kesey's With Hell's Angels

Cool black night thru redwoods
cars parked outside in shade
behind the gate, stars dim above
the ravine, a fire burning by the side
porch and a few tired souls hunched over
in black leather jackets. In the huge
wooden house, a yellow chandelier
at 3 A.M. the blast of loudspeakers
hi-fi Rolling Stones Ray Charles Beatles
Jumping Joe Jackson and twenty youths
dancing to the vibration thru the floor,
a little weed in the bathroom, girls in scarlet
tights, one muscular smooth skinned man
sweating dancing for hours, beer cans
bent littering the yard, a hanged man
sculpture dangling from a high creek branch,
children sleeping softly in their bedroom bunks.
And 4 police cars parked outside the painted
gate, red lights revolving in the leaves
quote

I often wonder why so many took so many different roads.

Did everybody interpret things so different and personaly that it evolved to what we have now?


[edit on 20-7-2008 by whiteraven]


Really intriguing insight, white raven.....two great lines of thought coming into conflict first in 67-68 and coming up again as we get nearer to the 2012 novelty zero point....the original or novel idea that was propagated then was the idea that "consciousness " underlies all material reality - (and here's the blue pill to show you how that works :roll expansion of consciousness versus restriction/control...yes I do believe thats coming up again for grabs...okay I'm sure I'm being too simplistic and reductionist here but you get my drift?

The difference for me has been to marry all of that expansion experience of 67-68 (as a young adult) with the best of my traditional roots rather than throw everything out - baby with bathwater...and in Terrence McKenna's thought you can hear language that reflects this process as well...



reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 05:36 PM by MystikMushroom
Okay -- okay.

I *wish* I could give an exact "event" -- but it simply does not work that way.

These equations and subsequent graph reveal a very vague picture of what is to come in regards to the level of
NOVELTY
. Out of all possible scenarios, why do certain events undergo the formality of actually occurring?

I am scurrying back and forth between this thread, my TWZ87 program, the internet (for historic events) -- all to help those who want to listen.

As far as "magnitude" is concerned -- I am checking right now the resonances of late September to other's in the past historical record.

This is quite a bit of work, and I apologize I did not have all of these graphs and information before posting the original topic.

It is my obligation as the OP to provide the burden of truth -- and I am trying to do so. Please be patient for the next 24-48 hours as I assemble all that I need to answer so many of your questions.

I am not an alarmist, nor am I saying the "world will end" -- just that Sept. 08 seems to co-inside with other topics here on this own board like this one:
Congress KNOWS

Once I put both together I felt obligated as a decent human being to share what I found out.

More to come....

[edit on 20-7-2008 by MystikMushroom]


reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 05:52 PM by MystikMushroom
I agree -- any nutjob can create a formula that creates a graph, research and put points of interest on it.

Terence McKenna wasn't your run-of-the-mill nutjob.

Have any of your read these threads:
Everyone is tired...
Are you having dreams...

Does anyone else agree that the world at-large is getting nuttier and nuttier by the hour? Why are strange coincidences happening more and more to us all? Why?

After Friday -- I felt like I needed to see what was going on in regards to "novelty" or "synchronicity" -- to many strange things (lucid dreams, deja vu, ect...) have been happening to way to many people lately.

Novelty Theory seemed like the only/best solution to answer my own questions.


reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 06:09 PM by yellowcard
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Okay, I know many here (and most of my real-life friends) think I'm nuts -- but I just ran the timewave for the next few years, and discovered something disturbing.

I have read, and followed this thread:
Congress knows here on ATS, well...WELL before I made my conclusions.

So, before I share my image -- I wish those interested to read/watch the following:

Novelty Theory
Timewave Zero

Okay -- so here is my "run" of the "timewave":





Okay -- the image quality has been degraded substantially -- but here are the points of interest that are circled:

1. 1996:
TWA Flight 900
Jon Benet Ramsey

2. 1999:
Collumbine
NATO launches air strikes on Serbia
to end attacks against ethnic
Albanians in Kosovo

3. 2004:
2004 Indian Ocean
earthquake (tsumami)

4. September 2008?

Agree/disagree with my theory -- hold me accountable in October. IMO, S will HTF in some "way" in September.

I expect little to no replies or views. No one wants to know this kind of information.

No one wants to study, understand and READ where this data (this DATA mind you) is coming from.

Whatever, I'm just giving, or trying to give a "heads up" to those open-minded enough to listen. Maybe we can prepare...?

I have not any idea what "event" will happen -- but it seems (according to posts above I've linked to) that a total economic collapse will happen in late 2008. Now, I finally have mathematical proof that "something" will happen about/around that time.

Please excuse my brash behavior -- I just had to work so hard to enable to gather all of this information together (let alone take pictures of my own computer screen!) to make this topic possible.

Be prepared.


Wait just a minute, I can connect any event to a chart and make it seem significant. If this is accurate then were is 9/11, why did that not effect the chart? It is the biggest event in the past 75 years and somehow Jon Benet Ramsey is more important than 9/11?

Oh the gullibility of people


reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 06:10 PM by guyopitz
Did you know if you hold cntrl and press the print screen button usually found up above the direction keys and the insert home delete buttons on a keyboard, what it does is capture everything on screen. So then all you have to do is open some program for editing images and give it a cntrl-V to paste the image from your computers clipboard. then you can crop it and save it out. You don't need to take a photo of your computer screen, besides that causes blurring and glare to show up in the image.

I've read into the Timewave zero stuff and I don't believe it. You could attach significant events to certain times on the chart but theres plenty that happens at other times that isnt reflected in the graph. The I-ching thats based on is just a mathematical system of averages and archtypes, you can attach meaning to it in the same way you can get a tarot card reading and think "gosh that described my current situation exactly!" My other gripe with timewave zero is how arbitrary the choice of endpoints is. sure 2012 matches alot of things on the timeline but you could set it for 2029 and I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could say well, this dip in the graph is when this event happened and that dip in the graph is when this other stuff happened.

I read all of Terrence Mckennas books, I respect him highly, but I still don't put too much stock in what this Timewave zero program says because predicting future events is simply not possible. Everything has a cause and effect. If you had a powerfull enough computer crunching the numbers you could brute force an educated guess about future events, however there would still be a margin for error because future events are highly variable.


reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 06:20 PM by realshanti
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I hear you - its deffo speculative- but it doesn't "predict" specific events - it predicts periods of great novelty....to my mind thats a horse of a different color....which events fit that description is definitely a matter for debate...


reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 06:25 PM by mirador
Originally posted by realshanti
reply to
post by guyopitz



I hear you - its deffo speculative- but it doesn't "predict" specific events - it predicts periods of great novelty....to my mind thats a horse of a different color....which events fit that description is definitely a matter for debate...



Exactly!

Personally I'm not throwing out the idea directly. IMHO McKenna's found something which might still be crude but which is interesting.

Kind of like those Global Consciousness Project devices ('eggs') of Princeton University going crazy (statistically significant) hours before 9/11 and with Carl Jung's "Synchronicities", there's a connection between time, events, novelty, etc.

But we're just not good at retrieving the signals and reading the messages.


reply posted on 20-7-2008 @ 06:27 PM by Brainiac
reply to post by MystikMushroom



So in other words, anything can happen at anytime.

With variants...

Such as defects in equipment, human error, weather problems...

It's just random/or probability...

There is no magic involved...
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