I have a lot of days where I know exactly how you feel. I find that the only thing I can do is express what I feel somehow, through writing, drawing, exercising, anything to get it out. If you leave than there will be one less person who cares about the world, who wants to change it, who gives a damn. If there is some purpose to this existence - maybe it is that people like us are there to balance out the horrible ones. Don't lose faith in humanity, I know it seems like most poeple are apathatic, but they are really brainwashed... know that they are good on the inside, but they live in a mental prison imposed upon them by that small percentage of mankind who do these horrid things, and unfortunatly they are the ones in power.

Don't believe that they have won, not for a second. We'll be free in the end. They have stretched their power out too far and its going to snap like a rubber band.

All we can do, in the meantime, is wake more people up.

I hope this was of some solace to you.

Originally posted by berenike

OK, I like blunt. Let me ask you why you are prepared to allow people (that's the majority of humanity) who you despise to bring you down to a state where you can't function?

I never said I despised anyone/anything but, this existence. I have no problem functioning, thanks for your concern. People and their illinformed thoughts are inconsequential to me and the maneuvers being played out in this world!

If the rest of us are too stupid to understand anything, why take us all so seriously?

I don't! I think I've explained that already.

I can see why you don't want to be a part of this species if all you focus on are the negatives, but you're smart. Why can't you focus on the positives? Even if no-one else on this entire planet appears good and positive to you, at least you can find some good in yourself.

This is irrational thinking and will ultimately result in the destruction of man. You want to live in a cloud, bury your head in the sand and pretend that everything is fine, go right ahead. This I will never do!!

It's a long time since I felt as low as you do now. In fact, I'd forgotten I ever felt that way until I read your posts, and you reminded me. That's how far I've come away from it. I've never altered my ambition though, and I haven't become complacent.

You have totally misunderstood my op. I don't feel low, I have never felt low! I KNOW I don't belong here, I am beyond this world. LOL...I feel persecuted by this incedious entrapment that you love and call life!

If the only person you think you can depend on is you.

I don't think, I know I can only depend on me. Look my intentions are not to come off as condesceding but, you and I are not on the same level so please do not assume that you understand me, you don't even understand how this world operates. If you are happy with the way things are good for you, injoy!













[edit on 7/23/2008 by XcLuciFer]

Hi XcLucifer,

Thanks for your kind reply and for misunderstanding me as much as you think I've misunderstood you.

I must thank you, too, for starting this thread. It has actually resulted in something very good and encouraging in my life.

Inadvertent as this outcome may have been, you deserve credit. You never know, do you, when you cast a stone into the water how far the ripples will reach?

It's an interesting thought that some people might bring about positive results in this world by being negative just as easily as others can achieve them by being kind. It makes one wonder about the desires of the higher self and the convoluted way it might go about achieving them. I suppose it knows best how to use the the material it has to work with.

Last thing, you can't be condescending to me. In order to do that you would have to look down. And that is not where I am.

berenike

Originally posted by whatsup
Now, in contemplating the teaching of gnosticism (no matter what variant it is) the question of why a loving God would create an evil demuirge and allow him/her to enslave mankind (all sentient creatures for that matter) has never made sense to me. Anyone want to volunteer an explanation?

I'm not an expert on the matter, but I think a student of Gnosticism has to disregard conventional teachings of a single original god and accept the concept of multiple original gods, not all of which are loving. It could be said that there are just two gods - good and evil, although in this instance we have to accept the paradox of the 'good' god being the evil one and the 'evil' god being the good one. Duality is a primal, powerful source and perhaps it stems from these 2, original gods. Satan was not created by God as God's word would have us believe. Both have always existed but one has stolen jurasdiction over us and therefore has had the opportunity to rewrite history, so to speak.

Originally posted by berenike
Hi XcLucifer,

Thanks for your kind reply and for misunderstanding me as much as you think I've misunderstood you.

I must thank you, too, for starting this thread. It has actually resulted in something very good and encouraging in my life.

Inadvertent as this outcome may have been, you deserve credit. You never know, do you, when you cast a stone into the water how far the ripples will reach?

It's an interesting thought that some people might bring about positive results in this world by being negative just as easily as others can achieve them by being kind. It makes one wonder about the desires of the higher self and the convoluted way it might go about achieving them. I suppose it knows best how to use the the material it has to work with.

Last thing, you can't be condescending to me. In order to do that you would have to look down. And that is not where I am.

berenike

Thats great!!! Gald that I could be helpful to you. My best wishes

Just remember your purpose on this earth.

Remember that many cosmic forces are available to help

The above you go through the more you learn

"This is irrational thinking and will ultimately result in the destruction of man. You want to live in a cloud, bury your head in the sand and pretend that everything is fine, go right ahead. This I will never do!!"

You're half right. Many people do have their heads buried in the sand, and it is the role of a spiritual warrior to face the darkness and deal with it. But you are forgetting that the light/positive energy is the very essence of life and self and that we are meant to flow with it. Many ancient myths could teach you this. The late Joseph Cambell could explain it. But my words fall on deaf ears don't they?


Well, I've certainly learned something after wasting my time and energy on this thread, as I'm sure others have here as well. Just because someone feels the same way as you do about the world being messed up doesn't mean they have the same wisdom/centre that you do, and it doesn't mean that all your sensible words won't fall on deaf ears and that the fool won't fall for the first cult to reach out for him. Lesson learned.

Sad as it is.

[edit on 16-8-2008 by Neurolanis]

[edit on 16-8-2008 by Neurolanis]

Balance is the key, between the light and dark, and this no one wants to do. It's so easy to leap to one side and laugh at the other or ignore it completely. But a balance is needed to deal with the dark and free the whole fountain of light. Speaking from intuition here.

I know what you mean this place can be unbearable at times and its

only going to get worst with time. But one thing can be for certain, the

time we spend in this body is temporary, so everything you feel right now

will not go on forever. Our visit is short and I feel is clearly intended to be

a prelimenary to something much greater. Some of us see this while

others seek only to dominate never seeing the whole picture. Just be

yourself and be righteous. Once this body fades, this worldly system and

its pain fades with it.

I totally felt the same way as you OP and am still questioning alot until i found out you can create your own reality and live the life you want to see.

Turn off the tv
Be with people off like mind dont completely isolate yourself
Eat from nature it is your calling raw foods is getting back to the feeling off paradise. You mind changes and you see reality differently too. You see the beauty of nature and listen to the birds and other animals and understand them in a 6th sense way.
Create you own heaven on Earth.
Only support those things you deem necessary rather then follow societies ills.
Be positive and bring gratitude and love into your life. Enlightment.

Can I have your stuff?

/second line