Some Americans are not supporting our troops, and they should be ashamed!, page 1


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Topic started on 8-7-2008 @ 01:14 PM by LDragonFire
I have many friends that are Iraq war veterans, and other than the horror of war they all have one thing in common. They were dumped, or where cheated on by there significant other while they were away serving there country. And according to these friends, this is wide spread, they all witnessed there brothers in arms going threw this over and over again.

Think about it, your thousands of miles from home in a strange country in a war setting, with extreme weather conditions, just this stress alone would make it hard to cope, waiting for that next contact from your loved ones would be the hilight of your day or week, but then add a e-mail or a phone call or a letter from the one you love dumping you, or contact from friends or relatives telling you the one you love is cheating on you. This stress is too much for many to bare.

America the one group of people who they need the most seem to be failing our boys in harms way.




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army on Thursday said suicides among active duty troops in 2007 had reached the highest level on record, due partly to the stress caused by deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Army announced that 115 soldiers, including 22 National Guard and Army Reserve troops, killed themselves last year. That marked a 12.7 percent rise from the 102 suicides recorded in 2006. There were 85 Army suicides in 2005.
U.S. Army suicides highest in 2007

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This is not intended to a debate about whether or not the war is right or wrong, but how our society is really not supporting our armed forces.


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 01:51 PM by Willbert
Support what? A faction or mob whose primary function is to do as the elites say?


In Delhi, about a 1,000 suicides take place each year and the figure has been hovering around the mark for quite some time. It is probably the fact that suicides are fewer and far between in the highly educated regment that the rate is comparatively low in the Capital city.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Source

How many more around the world do others take their lives? Is it the faction we should be supporting or the individuals?

When one finds a cause worth dedicating ones life, that is dependent on each person. How many would be willing to put themselves in harms way when other faucets of opportunity may be available?

If it this was a defensive war where the livelihoods of the average American was threatened I would show remorse and support with what these individuals are going through.

How many of those leaving their partners are only with them for the sex or financial support? Relationships need to be nurtured and cared for. When one chooses their priorities then expect others to find other interests in life when they can no longer share it with another on a daily/weekly bases.

It's one thing to nurture friends on-line.. but thats not how a human being wishes to share their surroundings with a significant other.

There are so many levels to comprehend of why a relationship starts or ends that it would be futile for me to list them here and now.

This article only pulls out the bad parts of what this war generates so as to feed the hunger for those who relish despair and turmoil so as to make ones life feel that much more bearable.

I'm sure you can pull other articles of those who commit suicide and will find that same conclusion. Some just feel lost to who they are and what is around them that moving on may be better. We all perish.. its just a matter of when and how. Dying is not bad.. I'll not elaborate on that. If it was.. then war would not exist.

So whose buttons is this article trying to push would be a more legit question.

"The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead."

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"I guess what surprised me as I dug into this dark side of American life, is that a lot of the people who were cutting corners to get ahead academically, professionally and financially, these are normal people," he said. "This is not some kind of 'them' problem, this is an 'us' problem."


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Callahan said. The first compass dictates decisions people make regarding sex, drugs, violence or drunk driving. The second compass guides behavior when it comes to getting ahead in school, work or money matters, he said. The second compass has developed because America has changed in the last few decades, Callahan said.

"When it comes to money and success, we have become more cut throat," he said. "It's more of a dog-eat-dog society."

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So what is Americans morals today? When information about what religion, politics and any other group or organization is based on stepping on others to get ahead.

Who looks out for number one? And at what cost to others should number one be appeased? This is an individual question we all must answer.


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 03:35 PM by Double Eights
I cannot comprehend how some individuals don't support the troops. Who ever said you had to support the war in order to support the troops?

It is absolutely shocking to hear people say, "I don't support the troops." It's equally disgusting to hear them say, "they volunteered for it." Do you know how ignorant you sound when you say those things?

I am completely, unequivically, one-hundred percent opposed to both the war in Afghanistan and our invasion and occupation of Iraq, however, I support our troops 100%. I wish them all a safe and speedy return to the States, and I support their decision to enlist in the first place. Most every soldier enlists to protect and defend this country, how can you fault them for that? (I will admit there are those who join just to kill # and blow stuff up).

Many individuals joined the Military right after 9/11, to protect and defend this country. How can you blame them for being duped by the government, 90% of this country was duped as well.

Many soliders were in the military prior to 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, so how do you expect them to quit now? This is their life, and their livelihood; it's all they know. Some are also extremely close to their twenty years of service, which makes them eligible for retirement (my brother included). What do you expect them to do? Quit, and find another job, having to work another twenty years to get the benefits for retirement?

My brother served twelve months in Afghanistan, and will be shipped to Iraq in just under two weeks. Do I want him to go? Do I support the cause he is fighting for? ABSOLUTELY not. Does that mean I should stop supporting him and his fellow soldiers, because I disagree with what they are doing? Like everyone has said, they have NO choice in the matter. They are forced to fight overseas, or face prison time.

Many soldiers are also in the military because it's what's best for their families. My brother has four children, and being in the military is his best way to support his wife and children.

Saying you don't support the troops is absolutely ridiculous. How is saying you don't support the troops any different than spitting on them when they return home, ala Vietnam?

Oppose the war, in fact, I hope you do, but never, never, say you don't support the troops.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Double Eights]


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 04:19 PM by Willbert
reply to post by Double Eights



We all have ONE life to live.. and sometimes the easier road is a lot better then a road of morals and beliefs.

Thats the problem with todays society.. to dependent on material wealth to feel comfortable while we live.

This is not to say I don't understand or know of those who suffer physically or mentally or both.

Interesting how some fight for a cause ... and then those who fight to live. This can be saved for another thread...


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 04:22 PM by jprophet420
Originally posted by Double Eights
I cannot comprehend how some individuals don't support the troops. Who ever said you had to support the war in order to support the troops?
[color=Purple] Thats like saying "who ever said you have to support the sun to support photosynthesis?" You cant have war without soldiers, you cant have photosynthesis without sun. [/color]

It is absolutely shocking to hear people say, "I don't support the troops." It's equally disgusting to hear them say, "they volunteered for it." Do you know how ignorant you sound when you say those things?
uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication; "an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature"; "an unlearned group ...
uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field; "she is ignorant of quantum mechanics"; "he is musically illiterate"
unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"; "an unknowledgeable assistant"; "his rudeness was unwitting"

[color=Purple] My opinion could only be considered ignorant if i wasn't educated on the subject. [/color]

I am completely, unequivically, one-hundred percent opposed to both the war in Afghanistan and our invasion and occupation of Iraq, however, I support our troops 100%. I wish them all a safe and speedy return to the States, and I support their decision to enlist in the first place. Most every soldier enlists to protect and defend this country, how can you fault them for that? (I will admit there are those who join just to kill # and blow stuff up).
Illustrate to me how they are protecting me and defending me.

Many individuals joined the Military right after 9/11, to protect and defend this country. How can you blame them for being duped by the government, 90% of this country was duped as well.
You just called me ignorant but wrote a free pass for them and 90% of people everywhere to be ignorant.

Many soliders were in the military prior to 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, so how do you expect them to quit now? This is their life, and their livelihood; it's all they know. Some are also extremely close to their twenty years of service, which makes them eligible for retirement (my brother included). What do you expect them to do? Quit, and find another job, having to work another twenty years to get the benefits for retirement?
[color=purple]I expect them to exercise their rights as free willed free thinking americans to do what they choose, and to accept the consequences of their choice. If they don't support my choices they aren't fighting for my freedom, thats certain.[/color]

My brother served twelve months in Afghanistan, and will be shipped to Iraq in just under two weeks. Do I want him to go? Do I support the cause he is fighting for? ABSOLUTELY not. Does that mean I should stop supporting him and his fellow soldiers, because I disagree with what they are doing? Like everyone has said, they have NO choice in the matter. They are forced to fight overseas, or face prison time.
Cause and effect, action and consequence. The Merovingian can explain it to you.
Many soldiers are also in the military because it's what's best for their families. My brother has four children, and being in the military is his best way to support his wife and children.

Saying you don't support the troops is absolutely ridiculous. How is saying you don't support the troops any different than spitting on them when they return home, ala Vietnam?
Because they are 2 different things

Oppose the war, in fact, I hope you do, but never, never, say you don't support the troops.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Double Eights]

When you can start telling me what I can and cannot say, what I can and cannot think, that is when you are my master and freedom is dead and gone. That day will never come as long blood flows in my veins.

I love America, I bleed red white and blue. I will do what I damn well please and I will accept the consequences of my actions.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by jprophet420]

[edit on 8-7-2008 by jprophet420]


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 04:25 PM by _Phoenix_
reply to post by Double Eights



Soliders MAKE the war.

Yes I do feel for them, of course, they are humans, some have gotten themselves into something they don't want. But without soldiers there would be no war! supporting solders = supporting the war.

Anyone can become a soldier, being a soldier does not mean people should automatically respect you, soldiers have to EARN respect by doing what is RIGHT.

If the war is not right, then they are not doing what is right by staying in the war = no support.

Soldiers are supposed to help the world by doing what is right, when they do something to gain my respect, then I will support them for sure.

Soldiers are not protecting us, our freedom etc, like so many seem to say, right now they are hired for the goverments own political agendas.




[edit on 8-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]
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