Some Americans are not supporting our troops, and they should be ashamed!, page 4
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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 09:27 PM by _Phoenix_
reply to post by LDragonFire


Yes, I would like to clarify my earlier post.

I know they are humans, I could even make friends with them etc.

But I do not "support" them. There is a difference.

And I should not be ashamed of that. People who think people should automatically support soldiers simply for being a soldier are the ones who should be ashamed. It's almost looks like brainwashed talk.

Yes they are human, they have emotions, and they are just like anyone else.



[edit on 8-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 09:42 PM by Wotan
reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Haha, unless you are in the Navy ........ oops, thats another story ......... better not let the missus see this


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 09:57 PM by Brent352
Originally posted by GAOTU789
I can't believe some of the responses I've read here. You realize that the soldiers are someone's mother or father, brother or sister, aunt or uncle, husband or wife.

You don't need to be behind the wars of aggression our Nations are fighting to support the people that wear the uniform of our countries. Most of them enlisted for the right reason's. To the ones that only joined to blow stuff up and play with guns, I still support them but they don't have my respect.

Also, think about about the age of alot of the people in uniform. 18-21. Ya they knew when they join that they are probably going to end up in Afghanistan or Iraq but I don't think they can fully comprehend what they are getting themselves into. Funny, you only have to be 18 to join the Military but you need to be 21 to drink.

To the people in this thread that have been in and realize what our modern militarises have become, good on ya.They are now just extensions of a Corprofascist establishment. Used as a weapon of aggression and not a tool of defence.

I'd also like to know how many of you saying screw them have served yourself or have family in the service. Not many, I'm guessing.

The lack of compassion displayed here is truly disheartening. They are still human beings. They didn't start this mess we are in, the politicians did. They're just stuck cleaning the mess up. If they can.


Whether you are fighting in the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Terror" you are fighting FOR the criminals and terrorists. Those who are somehow still in charge of this country and it's empire. After bullying around the world and fighting in wars based on false flag attacks perpetrated quite possibly by our own government or it's handlers in Israel.

It is really quite sad and depending on a ruling tomorrow on FISA could continue on the path towards fascism and a police state.

And to answer your question I am 20 and have had many chances to join but I will not because I know what the heck is going on and who these wars are truly fought for. I choose not to be a thug for the current bullies we have running our country.

The war is unconstitutional. Soldiers swear an oath to the constitution and by continuing to serve the bush administration they are breaking that oath.

Between the dumbing down and overall ignorance of the American people I think I can safely say the next 10 years will be VERY interesting to say the least.

We as citizens for these United States of America have forgotten what is means to be a true patriot and citizen. And in the process we have let criminals infiltrate all levels of our government.

I believe the constitution dies tomorrow as I cannot see how the senate will not vote in favor of it.

In this day and age of the internet and the amount of information available it just makes the job of being a well educated citizen that much easier. Time to wake up folks because we need change and we need it now.

I voted for Dr. Paul and donated time and money to his campaign. Sadly I think he didn't really even have faith in it and in the end between media censorship and his lack of nipping the voter fraud in the butt in NH he has dropped out.

TSHTF in 2008 and the next twenty years will be completely different than the last between the collapse of the US and the resource wars it's going to be one heck of a ride.

Good luck to everyone, we will need it.

PS sorry that got so off topic just smoked


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 10:08 PM by socal
reply to post by jprophet420



I was the Anonymous poster you replied to. Guess I had an account awhile ago. Anyway, without reposting your reply I'll answer this way...

1. So you're saying that the real stories are different than the media stories? Last time I checked thats what a cover up was...
1. What the media portrays as the "real story" is often just "their" version. The one that sells the story. Most of what is read or seen on TV is to make money. This rolls into the next question of:
2. 1,000,000 dead Iraqis were real people also.
2. Absolutely!!! And so many people have such little faith in our Military even though we have killed So many Iraqis!!! No. Pay attention to the news folks. Coalition forces haven't killed all those Iraqi's. What hits front page??? "Soldier shoots Iraqi Civilian"...what's usually hiding? "Insurgents (the real terror out there...yes they are real...no they aren't Iraqi. Not most anyhow) Detonate VBIED in middle of market..." Compare. Which are you reading...honestly. (Being unfamiliar with what can, and cannot be linked, I'm gonna leave the quick News station/Newspaper/Google search up to those interested)
3. I already said I accept responsibility for my actions, and can answer for no one else.
3. Your bigger than a lot of folks throughout the world then. You're right you can't answer for anyone else. But, I think we can all agree that very few can accept some of the things they've done instead of taking what comes of it, learning from it and preventing it from happening again.
4. 911 ring a bell? The war in Iraq is stopping a repeat how exactly? I really want you to answer that if you do believe what youre fighting for.
4. I remember exactly where I was on 9/11. I remember how drastically things changed that day. Yeah it rings a bell. To be honest, I can't say our reason for first going into Iraq. I can't. Too many people will tell me I'm brainwashed, or decieved, or a "TOOL"...however, as I stated previously, none of will know everything that is going on. Truley going on outside our little worlds. We can't, we don't need to. No, i'm not saying just accept everything thrown at you, but at least allow for that. We are still out there, because once again...The iraqi's ARE human as well. They deserve their freedoms as much as anyone. I believe their women can vote now yes? Many of the ones I worked with were finally able to afford a car of their own. Ever seen a shack with 3 satellite dishes on it? Ha!!! Try and entire town of them!!! They actually all had better cell phones than I own now. Their world is opening up for them much more now. Technology is easy to deliver though, Government infrastructure and weeding out the bad apples takes a while.
5. You are fighting in a war I do not believe in under the false pretense set forth by my government that I do. IF you totally believe you are fighting for freedom and not under false pretenses I respect you for that. I do not support the war, and you are a tool of the war, so do not expect my support.
5. am I reading this right? You do not believe in the War, but you DO believe in our Government? I hope so. I personally believe in both. I'm doing what I do because i believe our Government isn't as selfish as the majority of individuals. That it isn't as shortsided and close minded.

6....Nice Personal attack/Logical Fallacy

That was your first reply. For the record, I responded to each of your questions this way because I liked them. I wish I had more room to post more personal experiences to help show my points. Just remember...We aren't all breed to kill. We don't all join to kill. Many of us join and recieve admin, cooking, maintenance and various other disiplines that are supportive. I don't ask for you to honor our service...just give us the respect everyone deserve


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 10:53 PM by argentus
reply to post by USMC-oorah


Who cares indeed. It doesn't touch any of us in our comfy air-conditioned homes. Throw them away. We'll call you when the crap comes close to home, and by God you'd better be there when we need you.

I hear ya. I hear the self-reliance, and autonomy. It's a necessary byproduct.

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Not one person has posted yet that they'd care for a link to how to send small things [to us] to the troops that make a huge difference to them. The political miasma is SO deep, that to show troops overseas a small modicum of support or respect is too much to ask.

And, as always, when they come home, people will shake their heads sadly as if they are the scourge of the Earth. That makes me want to puke. I'm a gentle person. This digs under my skin like sharp shards of glass.

Well I hope those that espouse this disrespect can fend for themselves, protect themselves. It's a different world, granted, than when I was a young man. Some of you want our troops to feel ashamed of what they are doing. Screw you. You aren't worth a pimple on their swollen, blistered, feet.

Maybe this place isn't for me. Maybe I've gotten to old, too prideful of a job well done. Maybe sending people that are doing the best they can for a system they believe in isn't fashionable anymore. Maybe it never was.

Phuqueit.


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 10:56 PM by argentus
reply to post by CyborgPirateNinjaJesus


Your handle and tags say it all. Thank you for your profound insight. Maybe you'll be lucky, and have reason to rejoice over a few more killed tonight. One can only hope.
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